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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:01 PM Original message |
Poll question: Why did our House Dems let the Repubs slip Patriot II into Intel Reform? |
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ConservativeDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. They're outnumbered... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Even if outnumbered, they could still have voted no |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. They still need to do the right thing. That way they are on the record |
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ConservativeDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. A lot of those "GOP" votes are really just positioning... |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
33. Constitutional Law Scholar Robert Byrd voted against it |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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Lady Sonelle (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. A Little Something To Think Over... |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Thanks for the apt analogy, Lady |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. That is such an endearing story ... thanks much |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Those bits of Patriot II not in the Intelligence Bill |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Self delete |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. It contains the worst parts of Patriot II. That's enough. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. self-delete |
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punpirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. I imagine they had little say... |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. You have to admit, the Repugs are giving our Reps the ropeadope |
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silver10 (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. Why I think they voted .. |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Hi silver10!! |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. They can't find their spine?? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
18. To keep the charade of a "two party" system going. |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Seems they've also forgotten... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Oh, they're loyal all right..to those that pay them. |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Yes, hunker down and prepare for complete corporate control |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
19. What is your source on this mandatory job thing, for example... |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. ACLU says - Fight for your rights! We are losing many of them. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Right, which is why I'm an ACLU member. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
21. Kucinich and McDermott are two of the only real Democrats left, and that |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
23. Ron fucking Paul???? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Right. Last time I checked this was "Democratic Underground" |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Exactly.... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Also opposed to the war and the PATRIOT Act n/t |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. So? Hitler loved dogs and was a vegetarian |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. We are going to have to learn to work with right wing Constitutionalists-- |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
41. I have to stand up for Ron Paul. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:46 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. You're welcome to his company |
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ElectroPrincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Yes, there's much to disagree with Ron Paul on BUT |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Ron Paul has a peculiar view of what "freedoms" really mean |
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catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
25. Why should they care about our freedom? |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
26. Every time I see a post like this, I wonder why I'm a Democrat. |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
30. for the last goddamned time: was it intelligence reform, or patriot II? |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. both and Robert Byrd recognized that when he voted against it. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:44 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. intell reform...NOT PA II |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Repeating the 'Big Lie' works well with both groups. |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. i didnt say i believed it, i was asking for clarification. i hoped genius |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Yes, they have been misleading. |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
34. try "they hate us for our freedom." |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
36. You are lying |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
40. They hate America. |
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Flying Dream Blues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
47. It was a lose/lose proposition |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
50. I didn't see "they weren't voting for your bullshit hyperbole" listed... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. What is in Patriot II in this intel bill? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Unfortunately the person(s) behind this thread |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-04 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
52. It will be interesting who are deemed to be "lone wolves" |
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