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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:22 PM
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Bioterrorism in Korea?
Tommy Thompson talks about Bioterrorism and pandemic flu and up pops a 1933 human flu virus (WSN/33) in swine in Korea in 2004

http://www.recombinomics.com/WSN33_Korean_farms.html

The virus is definitely from a lab, but how it got into pigs on farms in Korea is the big question.

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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:42 PM
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1. the world is seriously F*cked, n/t
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:21 PM
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3. Could be an Accident
The source of these sequences has not been determined, so it is possible that it is an accident, but it seems to have dramatically changed the gene pool in the pigs, which sets the stage for more major problems.
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:15 AM
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4. More Info Soon
More info should come out soon, but virus is showing up in many pigs.
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:15 AM
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5. WHO Investigating - Crisis Looming
Rumor has it (from multiple sources) that WHO is gathering the flu samples for confirmation. The sequences are real, the crisis is looming, and soon the story will break.
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:46 PM
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6. so, potentially, what is the risk of spread to humans?
and how soon...
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:37 PM
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7. Human Transmission
The potential transmission to humans is very high because two of the swine isolates had 7 human genes (out of 8), including the two that code for surface proteins H1N1.

http://www.recombinomics.com/1933_2004_H1N1.html

Thus, it is really a human virus that should be just as transmissible as human flu. However, it has genes from 1933, so it could be very nasty and it produces fatal infections in mice.

Although there have been no reported human cases, the virus is a human virus, so infections may have gone undiagnosed. With flu season beginning in Korea now, the human cases may surface and of course a human case in Korea is one flight away from a human case in the US.

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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:47 AM
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8. Update on Investigation
There is more information on the investigation at

http://www.recombinomics.com/WSN_33_recombination_reassortment.html

This will become very big very soon.
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:39 AM
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10. Diversity in Pandemic Flu
The H1N1 in Korea is a problem in its own right, but it can also recombine with H5n1. Today Thailand announced more species positive for H5N1

http://www.recombinomics.com/H5N1_Wild_Birds_Thailand.html

So the number of different combinations continues to increase.
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:13 PM
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9. H5N1 in Indonesia
Looks like the virus has a two pronged attack. H5N1 has re-surfaced in Indonesia and is heading south toward Australia

http://www.recombinomics.com/H5N1_Indonesia.html
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 06:44 PM
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2. Background on WSN/33
Background on the 1933 human flu viruses found in South Korean pigs at

http://www.recombinomics.com/1933_2004_H1N1.html
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:31 PM
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11. fear mongering?
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:51 PM
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12. Pandemic_1918
Why wouldn't pandemic_1918 post about bird flu?
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:07 AM
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13. Why wouldn't pandemic_1918 answer the questions?
Don't be disingenuous.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:37 AM
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:31 AM
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15. Bull! I've replied to you in exactly 2 threads! This was asked before ...
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 11:34 AM by djmaddox1
you even started the other thread, so don't even start screaming stalker! And you start accusing me before you ever answer a reasonable question? No one has trouble understanding your posts, friend. I do however have trouble w/you REPEATEDLY posting dire warnings of impending doom, & when other members ask 'what should we do?' you don't answer - just go on & post a NEW thread w/a repeat of the same variation impending doom!
As far as someone getting your threads locked or moved to obscure boards that no one reads, look to yourself & your monotonous flavor of topic. You are being paranoid, I sure as hell don't follow you around - your threads are hard to NOT trip over!

Furthermore, you STILL have NOT answered the question -
Do you have some kind of financial interest in Recombinomics marketing plan?


Per your statement about "moderators on DU are as clueless as those on Free Republic (and that is saying quite a bit)" - I do believe you have been banned from enough forums that you should choose who you insult with care. You will run out of places to post all your pearls of wisdom!


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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:09 PM
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16. Following and WSN/33 and the 1918 Pandemic
I haven't followed you around to count how many times you have copied and pasted the same questions. I know of at least 2 (which I would calling following around) and they have both been answered.

I don't know of a recombinomics marketing plan, but that is certainly the place with the most current info on H5N1 and the WSN/33 sequences in Korean pigs, including the latest at

http://www.recombinomics.com/WSN33_1918_pandemic.html
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:12 PM
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17. Answer
Hope you had a chance to read my answer before it was deleted.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:23 PM
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18. Real cute - No answer there, just insults to DU & myself - that's why ...
it's deleted. Good tactic, though! You are on ignore buddy, find another theatre to holler FIRE in! Ta!
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pandemic_1918 Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 10:18 AM
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19. H1N1 in Swine Being Covered in China
Edited on Fri Dec-17-04 10:20 AM by pandemic_1918
Its pretty ironic that the human 1933 flu sequences in pigs in South Korea is being covered in China before its covered in the US

http://www.recombinomics.com/WSN33_Beijing.html
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