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ulysses

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Sun Dec-19-04 10:38 PM
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you cannot be in two places at once.

How is the party supposed to "reach out to 'pro-life' voters" yet protect reproductive rights?

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Higans

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Sun Dec-19-04 10:43 PM
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1. Simple. Ask if they would like to have their voice herd on the issue.

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ulysses

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Sun Dec-19-04 10:45 PM
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2. and when they say "yes", then what?

Ignore what they say? Abandon reproductive rights? What?

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Higans

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Sun Dec-19-04 10:49 PM
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3. The truth is if the goverment does not count your vote,

Then it really dosn't matter where you stand on the issue of reproductive rights. Or civil rights. Or any other rights you can think of. because if your vote is not counted, the people writing the laws that affect you don't have to listen to a word you say. Pro-Life, Pro-Coice? Who cares where you stand if your voice dosn't count.

Is e-voting me-voting? can any one prove it?

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ulysses

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Sun Dec-19-04 10:51 PM
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4. hoo-kay.

Thanks for the tangent. Anyone else?

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LizMoonstar

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:09 PM
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7. my thought is -

- many people who consider themselves 'pro-life' by term oppose abortion but do not believe that it should be made illegal or a crime. As I understand it, in a legal/political action sense, this would more properly be called pro-choice. If this definition were put out and it got through to people, that would be what I would consider an appropriate 'reaching-out' to the 'pro-life' voter.

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GAspnes

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:07 PM
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5. Firesign Theater

"Oh, how can you be in two places at once,
When you're not anywhere at alllllll?"

Seems frighteningly appropriate.

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progressoid

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Mon Dec-20-04 12:36 AM
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15. or... "Everything You Know Is Wrong"

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AndyTiedye

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:08 PM
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6. "Reach Out to Pro-Life Voters" is Code for Abandoning Reproductive Rights

Edited on Sun Dec-19-04 11:08 PM by AndyTiedye

All of them. INCLUDING ALL EFFECTIVE FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL.
For at least the next thirty years.
It's all about the Supreme Court.

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Higans

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:19 PM
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10. That is my point exactly.

With out the right to vote, the Supreme Court is in total control and can do anything they want regardless of how any one feels about Pro-life vs. Pro-choice. If you want to make yourself herd on any issue, you must make sure that your listened to. With out the right to Vote, Why even bother discussing the issues of Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice? it's obvious that no one is listening any way.

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XemaSab

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:11 PM
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8. I can be in 2 places at once

I can be at my desk in my office, and cruising the mean streets of DU. All at once.

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blackangrydem

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:13 PM
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9. How do repugs have a pro-life plank in their platform

and have Arnold and Rudy speaking at their convention?

I think we have to learn how to apply the "Big Tent" tactic.

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sonicx

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Mon Dec-20-04 01:10 AM
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17. Rudy was there for 9/11 milking and beating the terra drum

Arnold was there was celebpocracy ("celebrities sucks...unless they help us win!")

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Sparkly

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:23 PM
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11. Emphasize ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies?

I don't know, most I've spoken with don't seem to care much about that...

I believe most voters support a woman's right to choose, so I don't think this "reaching out" should or needs to involve changing our position. I know others disagree with me.

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DaveinMD

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:25 PM
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12. exactly

Clinton talked about abortion being safe legal and rare. We need to highlight that abortions went down under clinton because unwanted pregancies went down. Both went up under Bush.

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BeFree

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:47 PM
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13. Safe, legal and rare

Works for me.

Also that there will be no federal dollars spent on abortions.

One question I have about abortion: Even women are split on the issue. Wouldn't it make finding middle ground much easier if a vast majority of women were on the same side at the same time?

I don't like abortion. But were I a woman, I could see that I would want the right to one, and that any decision to do so was mine to make and not the state's. We are able to make a choice of whether or not we shall be prepared to end a life while in military service to the state. What grounds does the state have to deny a woman that same choice? It doesn't.

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mycatforpresident

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Mon Dec-20-04 12:46 AM
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16. I think Clinton

had the magic formula. By stressing prevention rather than the right to abortion itself, he struck a fair balance. I think it made us choicers happy, for sure. I don't know anyone pro-choice that would prefer pregnancy-abortion to prevention-no abortion. I do, however, know a few pro-lifers that seemingly prefer the no prevention-adoption method. Hmmm.

Today, though, with the polarization of nearly everything, I'm not sure it would work. The same plan would have to be pretty stealthy.

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morgan2

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Sun Dec-19-04 11:49 PM
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14. its the DLC stradegy

of holding every position possible, in hopes that everyone will like them. In reality it just makes everyone hate them.

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