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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:29 PM
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At what point does a woman obtain her Humanity?
When do women become full members of society capable of making medical and ethical decisions? When do people(mostly men)stop thinking women are evil and must be controlled? When will women be granted the elevated status of fetuses? We will ever have the same rights as sperm and fertilized eggs?
Will there ever be a day in GD politics when the fate of women is as worried about as a already dead fetus which might be aborted in the 7th month of pregnancy?
2006, 2007, 2025?
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:31 PM
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1. we must remain underground til then
sisters supporting sisters
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:37 PM
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5. yup
That is it exactly.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:32 PM
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2. Evidently
only when certain men decide.
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:33 PM
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3. thank you Cheswick
I tried posting my own thread on this, but it's sinking fast.

Abortion has ALWAYS occurred and ALWAYS WILL occur. Roe v. Wade is about women's rights to a safe, sterile MEDICAL procedure.

My next question? When will people stop using the term "pro-life"? It's demeaning and degrading and usually hypocritical!
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:34 PM
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4. We fight for it and never stop. We reject out of hand those who would
control us. We stop thinking of rights as something to be "given" to us. Assert your rights and the rest will fall into place.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:40 PM
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7. That is exactly how I feel
That's why I don't care if people understand my POV. I learned a long time ago that you explain yourself once, then one more time to be certain the person heard you. After that they person is being selectively deaf. I use that same standard even for little children.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:42 PM
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8. as soon as they realize who they are speaking to
fear causes them to attack. it is very predictable. wierd how so many men get off on lesbian porn. they are terrified by the cave from which they came
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:37 PM
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6. Women are second class citizens in our constitution . . .
Women are second class citizens in our constitution and will remain so unless and until the passage of the "Equal Rights Amendment" (ERA) is made a part of our U.S. constitution:

"Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex." -- Equal Rights Amendment
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:43 PM
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9. it's competing values - both valid
but at some point one must give way to the other...

at some point that fetus becomes almost identical to a baby...

then it has some rights, and society has an interest in how such abortions occur...

Clinton himself would have signed the PBA ban if it had exemptions for the health and life of the mom, that's reasonable, common sense.
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:49 PM
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10. Rights are not values.
As a woman I should have every right over my body as a man has over his own. This issue has nothing to do with values.
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:49 PM
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13. wrong rights are based on values
always...
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:49 PM
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11. As long as I am the "host" body for that fetus
what becomes of that fetus is my choice, not yours, not anyone's. It's about women's rights over their bodies. And I'm going to stop beating my head against your brick wall. It makes my head bloody and you remain stuck in your position.

and PBA (partial birth abortion) is a made up term, used by the rw to obfuscate the issue.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:49 PM
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12. I asked a question and you totally missed it
:eyes:
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:53 PM
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Did you answer my question yet?
When it's got a National ID card, I might listen to you!
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:52 PM
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14. A woman gains personhood at her funeral, IIRC.
Screwy.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 06:53 PM
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15. Locking...
please continue this discussion in one of the many extant threads. Thank you for your understanding.

-DU Moderator.
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