is clark to the left of dean? (thread 3)

for those who just can't get enough of this topic.

continuation of http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1449073&mesg_id=1449073

Other than that...WHO THE HELL CARES?

DTH, Who Is Still Against Stupid, Counter-Productive Threads Like These

...in utter astonishment that this "topic" warrants a third thread.

I am beyond surprised. I sarcastically suggested it, but it was pretty obvious I was being silly.

So, I thought I would post good things about Dean. See below.

Well, friends and family were here for a nice Christmas, I come here to see the Dean threads going strong. They left late, so I am not sleepy yet. Yes, I think Clark is a liberal and Dean is a moderate, don't you?

Maybe if we all admit Clark is leftier than Dean these threads will go away, but anywho........I found this speech in which Howard Dean announces the formation of Democracy for America. This thread will allow a chance to catch up on past thoughts.

http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/Transcript_of_Dean_SF_Speech_18March04.htm
SNIP.."Gov. Dean: And, more importantly, you have changed politics forever by showing that it's possible for ordinary Americans with small donations to build a movement that comes from nowhere, and that takes this country back, and that's what we're gonna do.

(Audience cheers and applauds)

Gov. Dean: The President and right-wing extremists are justifiably worried about the power of ordinary American citizens-- they're worried that we will propel a Democrat into the White House in 2004. They're worried that we will actually take the country back. Well...

Gov. Dean And Audience Together: ...We Will!

(Audience cheers and applauds)

SNIP...."Gov. Dean: Now how are we going to take this agenda off, this right-wing agenda? The first thing (that) we're going to make sure that the Democrats do not do any more, is you do not meet this agenda halfway. There will be no compromise with the right-wing.

(Audience cheers and applauds loudly)

Gov. Dean: Let me tell you how I think we can win. In order to beat George Bush, we've got to stand up for our principles, and not paper over our differences with the most radical administration in our lifetime. In order to win, we have to aggressively expose the ways in which this President's policies have benefitted the most privileged, and excluded everybody else. To win, we have to confidently advance a policy agenda rooted in hope and real American values: opportunity, integrity, and community....."

SNIP..."
Gov. Dean: Over the last three weeks I've been into a lot of meetings with other organizations, and so have a lot of our staff folks, and we've discovered that a lot of people are doing the kinds of things that we want to do. We are not going to raise money and compete with those groups. We're going to work with them. So we're going to have partnerships. First partnership I'm going to announce, is the partnership with the Service Employees International Union, for corporate responsibility...
(Audience cheers and applauds)

Gov. Dean: And the second partnership I'm going to announce, is a partnership with a group called 21st Century Democrats, which is very active in government... (portion drowned out by applause)... recruit and train candidates. That's what we do, we're going to work together to widen that net and raise money for each other, so that we can do more and more of that. The third group we're going to work with is the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, to stand up (pauses, interrupted by applause) for organizing, but also to put out the message that this is not the year to vote for independents or third parties...."END SNIP

I think they both are establishment democrats who wont change a got damn thing in the party!, I'm out peace....

or is Clark one of these DLC pro-Corporate types? I really liked his tax proposals, but that crap about sending our jobs to India was bullshit. I thought he was smarter than that? :shrug:

He IS against privatizing/stealing Social Security right? Please say yes?

Yes, no, yes, and yes.

You seem to be the only person with that symbol. Does it have a special meaning?

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becomes unmanagably large, there is very clearly interest in the discussion and it is done as a courtesy to those with dial-up like me, not that I am particularly interested but you get the idea.

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