Falwell on CNN, saying Bush is hated solely because he is a Christian

Jerry Falwell and Jesse Jackson are on Wolf Blitzer, discussing the past year in a segment called "The Politics of Values."

Jerry Falwell insists that George W. Bush is disliked by many because of his politics, which he says is "fair," but that the people who hate him do so because Bush is a Christian who uses his Christian values to guide him and help him govern.

I'm a little nauseated by Falwell's oversimplification, but I expect to be nauseated every time he speaks. Anyone else watching?

I wouldn't do that to myself, not on a full stomach and a functioning brain.

It's so simple - Falbad can't see past his far-too-rapidly-expanding jowls (do you think he's looking more and more like Jabba the Hut? I do) to see that people don't hate Fuckface - they hate what he does.

Wait. There's something wrong with that last sentence.

Oh.

Right.

I hate him because he's a Fuckface and because his only values are money and power, lying and stealing, cheating and gloating, killing and torturing ........... you know, Falbad's right - those are ALL Christian values................

consistently over the years of anyone

the newspaper today that one of Bush's nicknames for Rove is "turd blossom"!

Now isn't that a real Christian name to give him?

Wonder what he calls the rest of crew???

Dick "Peckerwood" Cheney

Condi "Lingus" Rice

Tom "Eyebrow" Ridge

Scott "Shitstain" McClellan

Donald "F**kwad" Rumsfeld

Jesus crying.

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and get off that cross while you're at it, you're gonna get hurt.

:grr:

He is more of a satanist.
http://www.satanism101.com/

He's hated because he is a false Christian. A hypocritical Christian. An immoral Christian. A Christian in-name-only.

In short, he's no different than Jerry Falwell and about three quarters of all the professed Christians who spend their days trumpeting their holier than thou persecution complexes on the public airways.

Ye shall know them by their own good deeds. Or lack thereof.

Why isn't Jerry Falwell on his knees praying for some clarity?

So why is that fathead Falwell misquoting me? }(

Falwell is an odious fool.

Time for a change.

Can't the dems get another "minister" than Jesse Jackson?

In case you didn't know, his national image is this:

"Jessie Jackson is some hack minister who makes his living extorting corporations from having charges of racism laid against him. He goes to the various companies, says, "You don't have enough blacks working for you, hire a few tokens, give *me* $250,000 and I'll leave you alone" He's had numerous affairs and babies out of wedlock. He's never made an honest living. He knows as much about God as poetry.

OK, I'm *not* talking about reality. Quite frankly, I don't care about reality. He's probably a good guy, considering he's on our side, but I'm talking about PERCEPTION.

You can't tell me that there isn't any other Priest / Minister / Man of God who the "talking head" shows can call on for some sound bites, rhyming or otherwise, to refute these puffy chested, fat headed, frothing at the mouth football coaches turned ministers / infomercial hosts with their perverted interpretations of the bible.

We need to DESTROY these tele-evangelists, make them crawl under their limos and retire into one of their many "crystal condos".

People don't / won't take Jackson seriously. Unless he starts walking on water, they never will.

Let's find someone else.

white male with a southern accent.

Not only won't Jesse or Al be getting the part, but we won't be seeing any uppity Episcopal, UCC or Presbyterian women of God.

I doubt they will be auditioning anyone from the MCCC. No Gay or Lesbians need apply.

The American people did hold "auditions"... this last November.

You obviously would never guess what happened.

The vote that pushed the Republicans over the top?

THE RELIGIOUS VOTE from these very blow hards that people on this board want to pretend don't exist or are no factor.

You don't win elections by ignoring problems and hoping they'll go away. You LOSE elections this way, and the Democratic party is doing a great job of it.

several polls have proven that to be a republican lie.

But if you think we need better marketing through Jesus, exactly what would your ideal Man of God look like?

I read a lot of news, however, I'm willing to believe that the polls were biased and my premise is incorrect...

...any sources? (please let it not be "commondreams" and "truthout")

Let's just say, I believe the Republicans are only too happy to have the media interview Jackson as a "spiritual representative" of the Democratic party. Why play into their hands?

As for "ideal Man of God" he should "look" like someone (are you fishing for a racial answer? I won't disappoint you - see below) who doesn't have any axe to grind except for spreading the word of God for the true spirit of Jesus, which these other blowhards wouldn't know if he sat on their faces, and isn't afraid to say that these men are NOT spreading the spirit of Jesus rather twisting His word to suit some perverted political agenda and that they simply should be ashamed of themselves for what they're doing.

It seems to me, however, that Jesse Jackson is 10% minister / 90% minority activist. (OK, if that makes me a racist, so be it)

Look, Jackson WOULD be a GOOD pick to discuss affirmative action (which I agree with) or to counter some overtly racist white guy like David Duke. I DO respect Jackson as a representative of minority interests as his "CV" is rich with such accomplishments.

An authority on the bible, however? Quite frankly, I couldn't tell you even what church he belongs to, getting back to my "ratio" above.

Ultimately, however, I really don't know about what would "sell" to these southern religious people, however, because I really don't subscribe to any church or religion, and God in general is on the bubble with me.

My premise about this topic (religion winning the election for the Republicans) may be false, however, and so I don't wish to elaborate as I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong about the premise.

general ignorance on the Iraq war Iraq's lack of ties to either terrorism in general or 9-11 in particular.
And no I am not going to go searching the web for links to prove that to you as you can search yourself if you care. Since you have admitted you could be wrong I'll bet that is that.

You may not be religious but I am. I think Jesse Jackson is fine just the way he is. Yes it could be interpreted as racist to suggest that he is only good to represent us on "minority" issues like afirmative action. That is like suggesting women Pastors should only represent us on issues dealing with childrens issues. That would be sexist.

The fact is that it doesn't matter who represents us on TV, the right wing will smear them. Their smears of Jackson have been very effective with you. Imagine how much easier it would be for them to convince someone who is not paying attention to politics.

Why is that?

but not to anyone else. First of all - most Americans don't know who he is. Second of all, most Democrats have a good impression of him. Third, the GOP will always attack anyone that's "ours".

Maybe you still have this impression of him since you probably heard him slandered so many times by Rush back in your former days? I don't think that is his national image to anyone except for fans of right wing media.

People do take Jesse Jackson seriously - including Republicans, which is exactly why they try so hard to destroy him.

>Maybe you still have this impression of him since you probably heard him slandered so many times by Rush back in your former days?

I won't argue with you that my image of him may be jaded from that time, but perhaps you should continue reading...

>I don't think that is his national image to anyone except for fans of right wing media.

Do you read the papers? Remember who won the last election? The popular vote? Do you see who controls Congress and who *picked* *up* seats in the Senate? Maybe YOUR perspective is jaded as to what most (voting) Americans "perceive"?

I was honest with you. Be honest with me. Can't anyone else do the job just as well as Jackson in countering these Bozos? Name one.

GET THIS: Most everyone on this board agrees with this: if we are to survive, our party and particularly the public perception of our party has to be change.

Hell, I can tell you this, HOWEVER we DO "survive", the Democratic party *will* look different than it does at this time.

Jackson's OLD SCHOOL. He goes back to MLK and the civil rights movement. He's almost "new-deal"! That poetry bit went out when CASSIUS CLAY became Muhammad Ali. *He is what needs to be CHANGED*. How about a *RAPPING* minister? At least that would be something NEW.

Just look at the excitment that Barack Obama caused at the convention.

WHY? Because it was FRESH. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. The same wine but in a different bottle.

There *MUST* be SOME other "man of the cloth", someone less of a professional protestor and more of a biblical scholar to go toe-to-toe with these guys.

Answer this: If Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson were to get on the same plane, crash and die, I'm telling you, there'd be 100 other puffy chested Southern ministers lined up to take their place hawking the strict right wing party line. But if Jessie Jackson were to get sick or die, however, would Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson then have NO ONE in the media with a religious background to oppose them?

Name just one, that's all I ask.

I can not accept that there aren't plenty of Democratic ministers and / or priests champing at the bit to put these fat heads in their place. Where are they?

It's CASTING.

I submit that Jackson is trodded out as a *straw dog* by the "liberal media" (sarcastic quotes). They don't call on anyone else because they don't want their "guest" Falwell (or the idiot Robinson) to look as stupid AS THEY ARE, as IGNORANT of scripture as they are (that is, if they're really trying to defend Bush from a biblical perspective) and heaven forbid, be accused of being biased.

Jackson has baggage - no more than anyone that's been around so long in the public eye. As for this:

"Jackson's OLD SCHOOL. He goes back to MLK and the civil rights movement. He's almost "new-deal"! That poetry bit went out when CASSIUS CLAY became Muhammad Ali. *He is what needs to be CHANGED*. How about a *RAPPING* minister? At least that would be something NEW."

Yep - Old school - the New Deal - exactly what we need to win.

"I can not accept that there aren't plenty of Democratic ministers and / or priests champing at the bit to put these fat heads in their place. Where are they?"

Unfortunately, probably not. I do see your point, we need a few of these. I don't know how to deal with this problem - we have some people from NBC and UCC and UU and the Methodists, but none that are particularly photogenic or charismatic from what I know.

I disagree that the Old School New Deal works any more.

While I do agree that some old school themes continue to work well (public works, subsidies for industries underfunded by the market (like alternative fuels)), "Class Warfare" doesn't sell like it use it. Too many Americans translate that to mean, "My taxes goes up and it gets funneled to some lazy bum".

Let me tell you what can sell. Let's start with "Accountability and Responsibility", "Fairness" and "Efficiency".

Hey, remember all that stuff in the last election about cracking down on all the corporate fraud? You do? BECAUSE I DON'T. NOT A FU*KING WORD from the Kerry Campaign.

Don't talk about giving hand outs to the less fortunate. Most (voting) Americans don't consider themselves "less fortunate".

Talk about "Efficiency" and how government can provide health insurance at lower rates than private enterprise through economies of scale and lower total administration costs due to the lack of profit motive.

Talk about "Fairness" and show how rich people, just like Bush said in the last election, don't really pay those higher rates on the tax forms. Remember all that talk about closing loopholes for the wealthy? You do? Because I don't remember WORD ONE about it from the Kerry campaign!

And what about "Accountability"? You really want to sing to middle America? How about tougher rules and standards for pension funds and mutual funds? Remember all that talk from the Kerry campaign? You do? Because I don't!

You see, I believe we're on the SAME SIDE, but I can't help but think a CHANGE is needed, in both approach and style...

Your "sales tactics" are only good for the upper middle class - not the people we need more of anyway.

"You see, I believe we're on the SAME SIDE, but I can't help but think a CHANGE is needed, in both approach and style."

You're suggesting we give up on the New Deal, and stop promoting "class warfare" - no, we are most certainly NOT on the same side.

from the right wing smear machine.

"Here ya go Mr. Jesus Christ, a nice set of Samsonite just for you"!

And while Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson both backed him in 1976, they turned their backs on him when it was evident that he truly would act according to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Jerry & Pat were so disgusted that they formed the so-called "Moral Majority" and backed a jelly-bean eating warmongering phony as more "Christian" than Jimmy.

To this day, Jimmy Carter is the only President to bring about a peace treaty between Israel and a Muslim country, Egypt.

Go figure.

Mostly.

his pants on. If that was the only problem in the world we'd be a lot better off.

How often do you hear Mr. Morality praise Carter for being a devout Christan? Is Carter hated by Falwell because Carter is a Christian?

They have to do this to make themselves seem persecuted. It is why Rush still carries on as if the left has power, if they don't have anger, they have nothing at all.

Pat Robertson knowledge base is corroded due to stating things in such an adversarial way. He is another teletubby televangelist...

and because he's reckless, oblivious, greedy, and stupid.
Jerry Falwell is stupid, also.

They love to feel persecuted. Fires up the base, maybe get some donations out of it.

First off, as a Christian, I don't hate George Bush. Secondly, the idea that a lot of people have serious opposition to Bush's policies, and the manner in which he executes and defends those policies is nothing more than hate, is ridiculous.

channel....:puke:

They have rejected the teachings of Christ more than any secularist. On top of tht they misreperesent them and lie about them, but that has become the SOP of the GOP.

the teletubbies are coming! The teletubbies are coming!

Whatever can we do about the moral degradation of America?

OK; sarcasm off. I am reminded of a prayer my uncle, (now deceased -lived thru 2 world wars a depression and saw more of the good and bad sides of life than any man I know) would often offer...it was simple, succinct and said a lot.

"Lord, please save us from your true believers, Amen"

a Christian, because he's not a Christian, not even close. One need not even be a follower of Christ to lead a "Christian" life of helping the poor, being kind to others, not being judgmental, etc. Chimp and Falwell are a couple of smug, greedy bastards who believe in killing for profit and practice intolerance and hatred. Not Christian in thought, word, or action.

....And I don't like the Steelers.

But we all know that the White House has a direct line to CNN. Go figure!

The whole world knows that junior and Falwell are first class jackoffs, so why the big surprise?

“the end is neigh” now have a national megaphone, control the halls of power, and have almost unlimited funds provided to them by the extremely stupid and gullible.

Did I tell you today how much I hate these people?

Especially our scum of a media for giving a sicko like Falwell a "legitimate" platform.

He is the biggest hate-filled hypocrite...wolf in sheeps clothing, right? Yikes...he makes me want to hurl!

...when the latter begins talking about the actual content of the Gospel (i.e., "the poor have the Good News preached to them") and remains silent when Falwell is holding forth.

I agree with the above poster who mentioned that Falwell has been given too much air time. For two decades the media has indulged this false prophet. There are plenty of credible clergy and ethicists and the like out there. Get them on and show the door to this servant of the GOP gospel of greed, mendacity and brutality.

That ruins the whole GOP Culture War plan - it's supposed to be a fight between "honest, Christian Republicans" and "Anti-God Liberal Democrats" - so people like Jesse Jackson are censored and sidelined. It's a great tactic, and it works. Don't waste your time blaming Karl Rove - it's CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN that are the problem. (Why waste time mentioning FOX?)

He has committed the sin of gluttony.

He should not be allowed to marry, nor serve in the armed forces, nor leave his estate tax free to his spouse. Nor should he be allowed hospital visitation rights or social security survivorship rights or spousal health coverage.

He is a glutton. Gluttons are not good for a Christian society.

I'm a very devout Christian and I thoroughly dislike Bush because he BASTARDIZES the faith!

news to me...

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Democrats and Liberals are defined as the enemy of everything that "Americans" stand for. These lies cannot continue to go unchallenged. if they do we will keep losing elections

...he's hated because he's a Christian is disingenuous and designed to obscure the truth.

The only reasons that bush's* alleged religious affiliation is an issue is because: (1) bush* makes it an issue at every opportunity; and (2) bush's* actions and deeds throughout his (p)Residency are in complete conflict with the Christ message.

Many of Christian faithful who are supposedly responsible for his amazing showing in the 2004 (s)election are grumbling that even when God is on your side, the ends never justify the means. Deeply religious people with real values and morals in this country are coming to grips with the realization that even though they (think they) may be fighting the good fight, very evil things are being done in their name, their country's name and their God's name.

On edit: And evil, no matter the reasoning and no matter the justification, is still evil. And to attempt to justify that evil in the name of God is the gravest insult to God and the greatest sin.

If falwell was a man of God, he would know exactly what to do, and it isn't to create disharmony and sow fear and paranoia.

The current move to control the populace is to keep the religious, the semi-religious and the religiously guilty in a rabid froth, preventing any kind of rational and logical thought.

Because I am a Christian, I know the power that word has to turn around and bite the speaker on the ass! * and Falwell are rather good at tossing around that particular word though. I want * out, because he is a bad man. He is anti-christian values. Even a frined of mine who is a devout Baptist and was raised by a Holy Roller Preacher father KNOWS * is anti-christian! The father (the preacher) believes he is the Anti-Christ and that religous zeolots are promoting him! I always considered Holy Rollers zeolots until I realized even some of them don't promote *'s Christian values!

I'm almost certain there's something in the Bible that has some hard words for that . . . Falwell's assertion is wrong, he knows it's wrong, and yet he says it anyway. Shame.

Let's just declare him persona non grata.

He's so extremist he's really not worth listening to, except for comedic value.

It's beyond me why any news station would have that piece of scum on their show. He's an evil degenerate who has received national attention by promoting his own agenda through lies and personal attacks on liberals.

To say that people hate Bush because he's a Christian is simply nonsense and anybody who believes this seriously needs a reality check.

Falwell is so corrupt he could easily be called one of Satan's disciples and his followers continue to allow themselves to be deluded into thinking Bush is president because The Almighty wants him to be.

a corporate whore. He is a blind servant to all those special interests he's always crying about. Anyone can claim they are a Christian but it takes a truly gifted piece of shit to flush our children's future down the toilet. Bush is just such a person.

Falwell is a douchebag.

And millions of Christians know it.

Write Wolf Blitzer and remind him that Falwell was discredited after 9/11 and Blitzer discredits himself by having him on his show.

Yes, I know, Wolf is already worthless when it comes to truth or fairness. But if we can help get Rev. Fathead off the air, it's worth blowin' a little smoke up his rearend.

wolf@cnn.com

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form4.html?2

and I hate Falwell because he is a goddamn, shit-eating, motherfucking, pulpit-dwelling grifter

than Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden are representative of Islam, or Meir Kahane is of Judaism, or Torquemada and Mary Tudor are of Catholicism.

GOP cracks. Bring him on!

for pooty-poot or Chinese dictator. I know that cuz he said so.
Why does Falwell hate Murika?

FAKE christian...and he does not use Christian values to guide him and help govern...he uses false claims of christianity to guide and govern...because his governing has no basis in christian values..

The program was a special with Jimmy Carter in Plains, Georgia; Willie Nelson dropped by for a benefit performance & was interviewed. This was not a Christmas show, but Country Music Television ran it a few times during the season.

Carter spoke movingly about his upbringing, about the African-Americans he was raised among, & the pains of segregation. (He also played a bit of softball & looked much fitter than our current "president.")

At the end of the show, Carter spoke about his Faith--specifically, about Jesus as Prince of Peace. He was quite proud that he started no wars when he was President. He didn't mention Bush--but it was not necessary.

in his life. Hopefully before he leaves office. He will need to get away from Rove and his other handlers first.