Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Which of the following contributes most to medical inflation?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:07 PM
Original message
Poll question: Which of the following contributes most to medical inflation?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:08 PM
Response to Original message
1. The insurance industry profits
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Ironic that this number one reason.....
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 06:13 PM by FrenchieCat
Insurance companies....is missing from this poll. Makes it impossible to vote, IMO.

(edited to say.....think thread starter still has time to edit the poll).

I will come back to see if it was done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Seems like drug prices would be right up there
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Righto....
on that as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
22. overpriced medical technology...n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. this happens everytime I do a poll...
great point! :dunce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. Bush's hoax de jour.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-bush05.html
snip> President Bush used Downstate Madison County today to relaunch his campaign against "lawsuit abuse" he says drives doctors from this Mississippi River area and other communities around the country.
snip> MADISON COUNTY CASES

Of the 364 lawsuits filed against Madison County doctors and hospitals in the last eight years, only eight resulted in verdicts against them.

# Medical malpractice cases filed since 1996: 364
# Cases dismissed or settled out of court: 196
# Cases that went to trial: 21
# Cases won by doctors/hospitals: 13
# Cases won by patients: 8
# Average jury award: $380,000
# Largest award: $1.7 million

Sources: Verdict Reporter of St. Louis; Madison County Circuit Clerk
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. At last!! Some goddamn sanity stats
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., called the president's plan "nothing but a shameful shield for drug companies and HMOs who hurt people through negligence." He urged the president to offer a plan that puts patients first.

On Thursday, Bush is inviting members of both parties in Congress to discuss the issue in the White House. On Friday, he plans a trip to Clinton, Mich., focused on asbestos lawsuits, which represent the longest-running mass tort litigation in U.S. history.

Bush wants a $250,000 cap on non-economic damages that compensate for pain and suffering, along with other limits.

"Lawyers are filing baseless suits against hospitals and doctors, that's just a plain fact," Bush said. "They are doing it for a simple reason-- they know the medical liability system is tilted in their favor."

junior is the biggest asswipe on the face of this planet.....and a lair also.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. asbestos lawsuits are about corporate greed; not medical malpractise
Industries using asbestos knew about the long term health impacts for decades before workers started displaying symptoms of mesothelioma - an extremely painful, drawn-out death. I'd like to see these miserable excuses for television news coverage broadcast the deathbed deposition of someone in the last stages of this disease - where every breath they draw is excruciatingly painful.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
24. Agree, the insurance companies
are the ones who are holding medical practitioners hostage. Unfortunatly, doctors have let insurance companies take over the financial end (and other considerations) of their profession. Malpractice suits are not the causes of this dilemma. No one has the balls to examine the practices of medical insurance companies. Doctors simply don't have the guts to stand up to protect the very integrity of their profession.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
23. Bingo
should be listed
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #1
27. My vote also.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
3. Healthcare is big business under a non-profit tax umbrella
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Large healthcare systems are BIG business. Also, insurance companies (medical malpractice and healthcare insurance) are reaping huge profits along with the drug companies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
5. Try to "follow the money"
When you pay a medical bill....where does the money go?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. What I notice every time i go to the doctor's
is that there are more people working there to process the paperwork for the insurance companies than there are actual medical personnel.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:13 PM
Response to Original message
6. Insurance companies making more money
Prime untruth believed by many is that insurance companies are there to help you. They are there to make money. Period. If they have to pay out some, they do. Some reluctantly, some very reluctantly. They are legalized gambling, betting they can keep more money than they ever have to pay out. So, they want to make money for those who have it (stockholders). Also they have many many employees who want to keep their jobs (talking upper and middle management) who clog the system to get nothing done except make more money.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Insurance company ownership might be a clue.
Some major insurers are owned by Doctors. Is it a coincidence that Doctor groups cry about the cost being caused by lawyers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. choice two is really a combination of two things..
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 07:19 PM by flaminbats
aging baby boomers with more medical problems(growing demand)...and the AMA, insurance industry, and hospitals working together as gatekeepers blocking younger people who are interested in medical careers(shrinking supply).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
8. You forgot insurance companies' losses in the capital markets
Their losses in the stock market cause them to seek profitability through premium increases, both on malpractice insurance premiums and consumers, I bet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. What about Medicare and Medicaid?
if run properly they would bring in surpluses just as Social Security does, which would be a benefit to the taxpayers. This would also increase medical inflation, but not as criminally high as the insurance companies have done. So which is better...individuals receiving healthcare based on their wealth or healthcare delivered to all based on payroll taxes collected?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
11. Increased use of Questionable
Life Extending Technology.

Got your pills for your Cholesterol/High BP? Pills to correct the side effects of the first pill?

And tests! Can't use an X-Ray, needa MRI to see whats really going on. Etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:23 PM
Response to Original message
12. the profit motive,
in a word, Greed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. ....goes hand in hand with Insurance Companies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. yep,
and Pharmaceuticals. Parasites, the lot of 'em.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:10 PM
Response to Original message
19. Paperwork
Massive, mind-numbing paperwork.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cattleman22 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:49 AM
Response to Original message
25. All of the above plus others
1. Increased medical technology and increased use of medicine. Not only are prescriptions more expensive, but Americans are taking far more prescriptions than they did in the past. The same goes for many tests and scans.


2. Defensive medicine. Doctors are scared of being sued so they call for tests and procedures that are not necesary, but that will protect them if they are sued.


3. Insurannce company losses in the stock market. When an insurance company receives premiums, it invested them until the money is needed to be paid out. When the stock market fell, insurance companies had to raise premiums to cover those losses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:05 AM
Response to Original message
26. Don't forget higher costs of education.
------------------------------------------------------
Election reform can help save this country!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 10:37 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC