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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:26 PM
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Is democracy dependent on a free and open press ?
Does the press have to oppose those in power? Can they not walk hand in hand? If the press refuses to show photos of death and destruction in foreign lands, is that censorship? Unless the press tells the people the facts, the truth, is it possible for our democracy to survive? Just how important is a free press?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:26 PM
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1. It is imperative!
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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
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Cadence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:28 PM
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2. Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press,
and that cannot be limited without being lost.
Thomas Jefferson
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:29 PM
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3. just look at countries/times where there is/was no freedom of press
and you'll have your answer....
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:29 PM
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4. The Forefathers not only believed it was dependant on it but
that it was fundamental and necessary to have a democracy (or democratic republic as some like to call it)
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:32 PM
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5. If a free and independent press doesn't exist
then we cannot be a true democracy. It was important enough to be included in the first amendment. And the media has become a tool of the government, instead of a truth-teller about the government.

It is not inherent in a democracy that the press oppose those in power. It is only imperative that they tell the truth, whatever that truth may be. It is impossible for our democracy to survive without the press doing its utmost to present us with the truth, no matter how ugly. Unfortunately, the media consolidation by businesses has made them bought and paid for.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:32 PM
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6. YES
it's role, in my opinion, is to keep the government honest and accountable - not necessarity oppose them, just keep them in check and point out when they do wrong.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:36 PM
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7. ,,,and
free and open minds.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:37 PM
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8. Yes, but it's a myth that it was free and open prior to the most recent
administrations. My mind is like a sieve today but I read of the way they were manipulated (or willing participants) during elections and administrations as far back as the 1800's. Clinton didn't help by allowing media outlets to consolidate and now that the media is more interested in the bottom line, our opportunities for unbiased and even oppositional coverage has been more curtailed.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:39 PM
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9. Clinton didn't help????
Just how damage did he do???
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:49 PM
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15. Don't panic,
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 01:51 PM by msgadget
it didn't start with him and was probably inevitable anyway.

Edit to add this link: http://www.ruminatethis.com/archives/001390.html
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:53 PM
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16. Up into the 30s, the media (read, newspapers) regularly were
extremely partisan -- but there was always an opposition. If the Times was stridently republican, the News was virulently democrat. That also made for a free press, prior to the consolidation of newspaper empires, like Hearst. Even as late at the seventies most towns of any decent size, even as small as 20 - 30,000, had at least two oppositional papers. That's where the free press movement began, in reaction to the secondary papers folding, or being bought out by the major paper.

I believe that the 70s and Watergate were the last gasp of the free press in America. Look at the difference between the way Watergate was covered and the way Iran/Contra was covered just ten years later. The right learned the dangers of a free press in '74, and have been doing everything they can to eliminate it ever since.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:32 PM
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18. Well said, thank you.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:40 PM
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10. The test was conducted Nov 2
Results show lack of a free and open press result in vote suppression and failure to accurately count. Results also show without a free and open press, the public can be overcome with lack of critical thought and righteous anger.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:41 PM
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11. Frederick Douglass
Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one’s thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down.
-Speech, Boston, 1860
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:43 PM
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12. YES! And we DON'T
have a free and open press. So, do we have democracy? I say no, but many deluded feel we do.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:43 PM
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13. It is absolutely essential. I can't possibly emphasize that enough.
People seem to throw around the word democracy without specifically explaining what it is, and what makes it so important. It allows people to hold the government accountable for their failures and lies.

Yet, democracy is really no different that tyranny, without the active participation of an informed electorate. If people do not vote, or they vote based on distorted information or false pretenses, the entire point of the democratic system is shattered. People must be made aware of those failures and lies, or the votes are worthless and arbitrary.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:44 PM
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14. Freedom needs a free press. Fascism needs a corporate press.
Hello fascism.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:56 PM
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17. In order
"Is democracy dependent on a free and open press ?"

Yes, definately - an uninformed electorate is not much better than no electorate.


"Does the press have to oppose those in power?"

Not on every issue, but it needs to *challenge* them on everything and nearly every decision should be opposed by at least some of the press.

*Can they not walk hand in hand?*

Yes, but only coincidentally, and if it ever happens for a long period of time it's a sure sign of something sickening.


"If the press refuses to show photos of death and destruction in foreign lands, is that censorship?"

No, it's only censorship when you do it to someone else. It *is* a very serious failure of objectivity, though.


"Unless the press tells the people the facts, the truth, is it possible for our democracy to survive?"

No.


"Just how important is a free press?"

Very.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:50 PM
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19. We are actually in a de(the)mo(ney)crac(z)y, which serves the rich only
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