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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:30 PM
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What does "democracy" need in order to work in Iraq??
We are talking about "democracy" as George Bush and the neocons define it. Think about it. They know there can be no "democracy" in Iraq unless there is stability. It is not "democracy" that creates stability. It is a police force and a threatening military. If they do not train a strong and determined police force, "democracy" as they envision it, will fail.

Well, if that is their idea of "democracy", how is that different from the old Soviet Union or other regimes of recent history? If the people cannot march in protest without being hosed down or arrested, what good is "free speech"? Or is free speech not part of their "democracy"?

Furthermore, if that is their idea of "democracy - and it appears so - then what kind of democracy do we have in America?? Do we have a strong police force or a military that would strike the people if they were too much "out of line"? How much "free speech" are you really permitted? We all know about the "free speech zones" of the last several years. They were there to protect politicians rather than to permit free speech.

Why does there have to be a strong military or police force in order for "democracy" to work? Does it apply to America? What is the real difference between modern-day "democracy" and totalitarian regimes? Would someone like to explain?
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:32 PM
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1. Diebold voting machines.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:35 PM
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2. Someone like Nasser or Ataturk
who would have definate issues with the neo colonialism coming from the US.
Could there be an Iraqi Ghandi ? Hell maybe someone like the Iraqi equivalent of Huey P Long would be a vast improvement.

Having a crook or thug in there might be acceptable if the murdering and theft was kept to a minimum.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:38 PM
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3. But what "freedoms" of democracy would they forfeit ?
As opposed to the present state of affairs? Just what are they talking about when they say "freedom" and "liberty". Freedom and liberty to do what? Are we talking capitalism or are we talking political?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:43 PM
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5. Nah, we are just talking.
I am so fed up with the mess over there I no longer care what happens.
My thoughts are ultimately Iraq will go its own way, like China did after 1949 and there is not a whole lot we can do beside prolong the agony by supporting illigitimate puppet regimes - as long as the oil can keep flowing.

Eventually it will be what it is.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:43 PM
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4. I would prefer a democracy here..instead of the oligarchy we now have.
Let the Iraqis decide which kind of government they want. It would be nice if we had the same privilege instead of the controlled "democracy" of the rich and powerful that we now have.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:48 PM
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6. Democracy cannot be "spread". It needs to be gotten by the people
from the country in which is to be arrived at. Then, it needs to be nurtured and watched over - or else W happens.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:54 PM
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7. I agree. You can spread manure.
Democracy is a whole different matter, but you can sow totolitarianism. We seem to have done a good job of it in the Western Hemispere, as well as Indonesia, Iran, El Salvador, Panama, Chile, and the list goes on. Maybe this is what the Chimp-speak translates into. I'm wondering.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 04:02 PM
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8. When the USA says "Democracy"...
What it really means is Capitolism...and the means for control of the country...and its resources.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 04:09 PM
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9. I remember a saying
American dollars are Sur American dolores. or something like that.
I fear that the corporate forces are in controll and have been for as long as I can remember. Yes the Chimp is all about corporate fascism - pure and simple.
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