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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:44 AM
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The US Army Reserve is almost of out of troops
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 09:44 AM by Stella_Artois


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2005/usar_memo-20dec2004.htm

Looks like an invasion of Iran will remain a pipe-dream, unless there is a draft.

The reserve has less than 40,000 troops left, the lack of active component forces has bled it white.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:52 AM
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1. time to consider re instating the soldiers who got
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 09:53 AM by amber dog democrat
Bad Conduct , Undesirable, General, and dishonerable discharges and giving them another chance. Who knows, some of them may work out?
Or can we have a press gang?
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blueknight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:56 AM
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3. my friend
has been in the reserves for years. he got back from iraq 8 months ago after serving a year over there,now he just got papers,he has to go back for another year
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:01 AM
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6. That just increased his odds of something bad happening
I wish him luck. Hope he won't need it I actually think things were better under a draft. What does this say to anyone contemplating going into the Gaurd or the Reserves today? I'd stay out of the gound forces for sure.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:09 PM
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17. Oh no!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:57 AM
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4. 4,000 platoons of the Dirty Dozen?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:02 AM
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7. yeh, only stop making them prison guards.
or interrogation specialists
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:21 PM
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20. This idea, unfortunately includes me...
I smoked a joint prior to my pre-deployment urinalysis to avoid being sent to Iraq. I was given an RE-3 general discharge for drug/alcohol abuse. I would hope I do not have to deal with dodging another deployment.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:55 AM
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2. But if I channel
Donald Rumsfeld here--he would say--36,000--that's enough to invade a country! especially a panywaist Musselman country like Iran--

How about regular troops in reserve?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:58 AM
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5. I am sure that is what Musolini thought when
he invaded Greece. How hard can this be ?
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:06 AM
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8. Definition of terms.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 10:06 AM by trogdor
IMA - Individual Military Augmentee. Someone who doesn't go to drills once a month, but is generally available for training, support missions, etc.

AGR - Active Guard/Reserve. Someone who has a permanent job in a USAR unit. Some mechanics and unit clerks fall under this description.

TPU - Troop Program Unit. These are the traditional "one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer" units.

This is scary, though. Out of 200,000 soldiers, only 37,000 or so are currently deployable. It's like we don't have an Army Reserve anymore.
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:19 AM
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double
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 10:19 AM by Stella_Artois
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:19 AM
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9. What about the Guard
Are State Guard units a part of this ?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:40 AM
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10. No. The National Guard is separate from the Reserves.
I'll bet the Guard units are having problems as well.
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Ms_Mary Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:54 AM
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11. NPR covered that this morning. Within a year, we will be too short
of national gaurd troops. They have tripled their re-enlistment bonus to try to keep people in. At the next rotation of troops, we have problems.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:32 PM
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12. Now look
we've defied reality for this long. . .
why not see if we can deny it forever?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:11 PM
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18. So much for the jackass defending and protecting us here at home!
No wonder most of the military dislikes him!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:42 PM
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13. Good. Less cannon fodder means fewer wars.
And, if they bring back the draft, watch how fast "Support Our Troops" bumper stickees disappear and how being a dove becomes popular again.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:14 PM
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19. Yes. It will be a real eye opener for us all!
At least I hope something as drastic as the draft will shake some sense into the manipulated masses... GEEEEZ!
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:46 PM
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14. Can they just keep recycling the reservists indefinitely?
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:49 PM
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15. bright side: they won't be able to deploy the guard
to shoot protestors this time.

of course, since the cops have been militarized, they'll just do it themselves.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:58 PM
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16. Bet the military wishes they'd been nicer to
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 03:58 PM by Vinca
the gay people. If a soldier tried to come out of the closet now, his/her commanding officer would put his fingers in his ears and sing "La,la,la,la,la, I don't hear you."
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SoCalifer Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:47 PM
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21. Iraq?
If I was still draftable or still in the service, I would absolutely refuse to go. I would tell anybody in the government or military that I absolutely refuse to go into a country and kill poor people for the purpose of further enriching already rich jackasses here in my country. They could jail me, but I still wouldn't go.
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 05:05 PM
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22. More likley to be Iran, if the hawks get their way
I wonder if they are having crash courses in Persian.

Hell, i wonder if many of them realise they don't speak Arabic.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:03 PM
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23. That really is what it ammounts to.
We are using our military force to shake them down for their oil;.
If we were not acting like Imperial Storm Troopers, I would feel differently about this war of choice. Good for you.
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