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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:24 PM
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George W. Bush Inaugurated As a Sick Man
George W. Bush Inaugurated As a Sick Man
por Dr. Seek
(Correo-e no verificado) 19 ene 2005 16:42
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. WORE A MEDICAL DEVICE FOR "PERSONS AT RISK OF CARDIAC ARREST" during the debates. It is a LifeVest defibrillator. He started using it sometime after his January 2002 fall at the White House.

He said he choked on a pretzel. The pretzel stuck in his throat and caused the vagus nerve to send a signal to his heart. This slowed it down and reduced blood flow so much he passed out, said White House physician Col. Richard J. Tubb, M.D. Bush's heart doctor is Kenneth Cooper, a friend from Dallas, who runs the Cooper Clinic.

Based on photos showing him wearing the device, we can conclude the fainting was caused by atrial fibrillation, which his father also had. His father's AF was caused by Graves' disease (a thyroid disease), which Barbara Bush also has. Bush Jr. probably has AF and, less probably, Graves', based on his family history and symptoms. The AF may have caused a stroke or TIA (mini-stroke). Physicians watching the debates detected symptoms of this. Observers have noted psychological symptoms of this and of Wernicke-Korsakoff disease.

When the monitor detects a dangerous heart condition, it sends a signal to a small box on Bush's belt that can cause the defibrillator to send an electrical pulse to the large "shocking electrode" on the Bush's back between his shoulder blades (visible in photos of the president in the second and third debates, and thought by some to be a radio interface with Karl Rove) and a smaller one on the chest. The pulse can be repeated until the heart starts pumping blood effectively, up to five pulses. The electrode on the back can not be made small. There is no radio or bullet-resistant vest that looks like the LifeVest electrode.

President Bush's father had the same problem. Running at Camp David on a Saturday afternoon (May 4, 1991), Bush Sr. got short of breath, tight chest, and a general feeling of fatigue. A White House physician discovered Bush had an irregular heartbeat, later diagnosed as atrial fibrillation caused by Graves' disease, a form of overactive thyroid.

(snip)

After watching the third presidential debate, Dr. W. Kendall Tongier, an anesthesiologist for 15 years, posted on the Dallas Morning News website a note about his concerns that the president may have had a stroke. His post said:

"As a physician and a professor, I tend to pick up on signs and symptoms of physical problems better than most other people. I am highly concerned with what I saw. The drooping left side of the president's face, his mouth and nasolabial fold (the crease in the face running from the nostril to the side of mouth) may be indicative of a recent stroke, TIA or, possibly, Botox injections.

(snip)

http://canarias.indymedia.org/newswire/display/10354/index.php
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:26 PM
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1. 10 million voodoo dolls are bound to have an effect sooner or later
Keep sticking those pins in, people!

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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:28 PM
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4. Funny.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:34 PM
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5. I remember a Get Well card
with the message:

"Tell me where it hurts, I'll pull out the pin!"

Yes, there must be millions of voodoo dolls out there.

I wonder if the "Elite Force Aviator" sausage strut action figure could be put to some good use that way? Or would it have to first be blessed or something by a voodoo priest?
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:28 PM
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2. Any evidence of the 'shocks' during the debates ?
I mean, he acts surprised, out of sorts and retarded most of the time anyway, but are there any 'moments' during the debates where it might have really looked like he's reacting to a mild electrical stimulation ?

Just curious.

Thanks ~ :hi:
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:28 PM
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3. This has been out there for awhile, so your point is?
Mine is, it is totally unsubstantiated so far. The quotes are conjecture.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:35 PM
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6. Was not sure whether the complete story was posted here
With the reference to the pretzel episode and his parents hyperthyroidism
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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:56 PM
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10. Yes, but how much of what is said here is conjecture?
While the article and accompanying quotes may be conjecture, at least they have some basis on which to build on. A family history of this problem would certainly lend more credence than some of the other theories (although it is hard to dispute the Rove-in-the-ear theory when he barked out "Let me finish!" even though no one else was saying or about to say anything).

It would also make sense that he not say anything about it, because he claims he talks with God. How would he explain this health problem?

"And God told me, 'Yeah, there are WMDs in Iraq (just kidding),' which I chose to ignore the 'just kidding' part, 'and, oh, by the way, I'm going to dick with you some more and give you this debilitating disease because I'm sick and tired of you and your fellow "believers" doing all this crap in My name.'"
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:40 PM
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7. I'm the only liberal MD that I know
so it's lonely out here and I tend to get excited when a medical topic comes up because--by God, at least I know something about that--and I posted also elsewhere that the "defibrilator" idea is easily debunked--but I concur with the anesthesiologist--I noticed the same marked left facial droop during the debates--maybe because he was tired--but I, too, have nothing more than conjecture as to what the origins might be
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:50 PM
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8. His mental status has deteriorated in recent years.
Not that he was ever all that bright.

But I recently saw some footage from a campaign speech during his first run for Governor. He was alert & handled himself well. Superficial & annoying, definitely. But he definitely had more "snap" that he's exhibited recently.

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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:55 PM
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9. Damn!
and all this time I was thinking that bulge was just where his handlers tucked his tail up to keep it from dragging.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:34 PM
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14. Why the lifevest and not a cheneyesque implanted pacemaker?
Seems like the lifevest is a bulky cumbersome thing to wear 24 hours each day. Why not just have a secret surgery to implant one of those hi-tech pacemakers, a la Dick. Cheney's procedure only lasted an hour and he was home the same day. This admin is so secretive I'm sure they could get away with it.
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