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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:05 PM
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Does Kerry favor a draft?
Is Kerry in favor of a draft? If not, how could he expand the military by 40,000 in his first 100 days?

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By MIKE WILSON, Associated Press

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) said Tuesday he would expand the U.S. military within his first 100 days as president, contending 40,000 more troops are needed to meet America's responsibilities around the world.

Kerry told supporters at Drake University that the occupation of Iraq (news - web sites) as well as the global war against terrorism require more troops.

"In the face of grave challenges, our armed forces are spread too thin," said Kerry, a Massachusetts senator and one of nine Democratic candidates.

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Well step up to the plate, Kerry defenders. What's John gonna do?


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PackedForPerth Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:07 PM
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1. ?
I don't see how he plans on getting that many unless he plans on some serious salary hikes. A draft won't give him the kind of people we need and won't do anything aside from putting him in very deep water politically. :eyes:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:15 PM
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2. The UN and Nato will be more willing to help out with troops once the
Chimperor's reign has ended.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:04 PM
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10. I think that you are being over-optimistic
I don't see why Europe will want any part of our mess.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:15 PM
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12. Once we change the guy at the top other countries will be able to open up
to us. The Chimp is hated worldwide.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 10:36 PM
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19. Yeah but they aren't going to jump at the chance to haul our chestnuts...
from the fire. Planning on them helping us would be poor planning indeed
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:17 PM
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3. Kerry has said there is no need for the draft
From the site:

"Kerry also said he doesn’t believe there is a need to reinstate the draft, a source of conflict during the Vietnam War."

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2003_1203a.html

He is for national service

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:19 PM
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4. Where's the link at?
You seem to have misplaced it somewhere.

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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:29 PM
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6. Need you ask why?
eom
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:19 PM
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5. IOW, Kerry will continue to pursue Bush's endless wars
How far as Kerry fallen from the Light!
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:41 PM
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7. I think it's
mandatory voluntary community service in order to graduate from HS he favors, not an actual draft.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:57 PM
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8. What is mandatory volunary?
Sounds kinda like jumbo shrimp, military intelligence, pResident Bush, and other oxymorons.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:01 PM
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9. this really isnt anything new guys
I am almost 100% sure that I need to do a certain amount of community service in order to graduate HS. Don't quote me, I am only a junior. I don't think Kerry is in favor of a draft. I hope he isn't.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 09:08 PM
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13. easy: mandatory service in a volunteer capacity means not getting paid. nt
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 10:12 PM
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18. But then what is voluntary about it?
Conscripted unpaid community service would be a more accurate description.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:40 PM
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25. Good point. Just "community service" is perfect.
That's what I was required to do in high school. 20 hours. Most schools have these anyway, this plan isn't anything too drastic.

Or "Community Service Project required for graduation."
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:32 PM
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24. Kerry looks as bored as the kid
in that picture. Great sig.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:14 PM
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11. Kerry has stated that he is not in favor of the draft
And I trust him acres and ages before * with both our troops and future because Kerry knows what war is. Unlike AWOL.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 09:41 PM
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14. Which begs the question of my thread....
What's. John. gonna. Do. to raise all those additional soldiers he wants in Iraq? Snap his fingers? Click his heels together and intone "There's NO place like Fallujah....There's NO place like Fallujah"?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 09:48 PM
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15. More importantly,
does Kerry favor the Iraq war?

I'm confused on this, lately.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 09:57 PM
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16. Anyone Else Think These Attacks Are Slightly Desperate?
DES MOINES, Iowa - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Tuesday he would expand the U.S. military within his first 100 days as president, contending 40,000 more troops are needed to meet America's responsibilities around the world.


Two points are made:

1. Kerry would expand U.S. troop levels.

2. 40,000 more troops are needed.

Scott Lee's eye-rollingly typical false induction is that Kerry is calling for 40,000 troops (at any costs, even!). If we want to talk about unconditional demands, let's mention Dean's call for - specifically - unconditional military at 4x times the current level and 5x the guaranteed loans, which work as de facto military aid. That is further than even Paul Wolfowitz has gone. But then again, Wolfowitz doesn't get AIPAC to foot the bill for his trips to speak with Sharon like Dean.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:19 PM
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20. So you agree - Kerry would "expand troop levels"....HOW?
"1. Kerry would expand U.S. troop levels."

Did you or did you not state the above?

My question was HOW exactly will he accomplish this without a draft?

If you can't answer that, it's ok - but please don't devolve to bitterness because your candidate formulated another indefensible position.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 10:11 PM
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17. Hey Scott Lee, Dean expert, go answer my question
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:19 PM
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21. What question? Did you post in invisible ink?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:22 PM
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22. No she didnt
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 11:22 PM by JohnKleeb
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:40 PM
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26. Ah, thank you John. Now, Sistuh's o' mercy, an answer to your Q
Ready?

NONE of the candidate's positions on I/P satisfy me. Nope, not even from my guy Howard Dean. The reason I don't let that derail my support for him is because I'm not a one dimensional, single issue human being.

None of the candidates go far enough in elucidating a true recognition of the soveriegn, self determinate, and human rights of the Palestinian people. It seems that to do such these days is tatamount to the most egregious form of antisemitism - which I don't buy in the least, but there it is anyway.

Howard Dean has well articulated his position on I/P (the link to which you have been provided), but that well articulated position simply doesn't go far enough for the Palestinian cause, in my mind.

Does that answer your question?
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:29 PM
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23. I don't think there is going to be another draft.
America would not tolerate another draft.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:41 PM
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27. Neither do I, because Kerry's going to be dropping out.
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