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lillib Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:43 PM
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How Could You Like Clark?
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 07:47 PM by lillib
He has faught in at least 3 wars and probably is reponsible for 100's or 1000's of deaths of not only women and children, but men. I cant think of anything good about electing a person who kills people. He is a soldier. He belongs in the army, where people who kill people are, not in our white house.

Havent we had enough war?

I have.

Thanks... sorry if this is ofensive.. but when I think about how many people he killed i get sick.

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:44 PM
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1. that's true---and he IS of the military mindset
which is evident in his speeches, etc.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:46 PM
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3. Deep Analysis
What you say isn't even wrong. It simply can not be analyzed in meaningful terms: it's a curt example of words divorced from any meaning whatever.

But what's semantics when there's smearing to do?
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:51 PM
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12. slinkerwink
You might want to re-read his 10 pledges. It's the most direct and cogent statement by any candidates on use of force and U.S. policy. If he were to be elected POTUS, I think this is a pretty good indication of how he will operate.

http://clark04.com/issues/10pledges/
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:54 PM
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15. direct question
do you have a poor image of all people that have served and are serving in the military or just General Clark because he's running for President?
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:44 PM
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2. Because he ended a genocide
Unlike those who would rather have clean hands than prevent the murder and dislocation of hundreds of thousands, and get flip and faux-offended about it online.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:48 PM
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4. I can understand
that pacifists would have a very hard time with a General. But even some of them could get to trust him if they learned more about him IMHO.

Many,many,many representatives in our government have served in the military. Many will be hawkish on foreign policy questions (not all). But Clark does not fit that hawkish mold.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:49 PM
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5. Clark has a heart of gold
Who cares if he was in the Army? He's saved lives too...or don't you remember Kosovo?
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:49 PM
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6. Saving 1,500,000 lives is a good start
and he can beat * too
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:50 PM
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7. You can like him because
1. He is running as a Democrat
2. He fought in wars, sacrificing his personal safety for service to our country, that's honorable. Those who started the wars were not (Viet Nam, Yugoslavia)
3. He's pro-abortion.

You don't have to support him as your first choice to consider him a far better alternative to Bush.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:50 PM
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11. Thank you very much
Well said.
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:00 PM
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22. Did you mean to say "pro-choice"
instead of "pro-abortion"?
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:50 PM
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8. And the Cold War - ya know that was a real thing...
Thank God for thinking, decent military people like Clark!
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:50 PM
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9. Lets see Bush is not part of the Military establishment...
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 07:52 PM by Democrats unite
How many people has he helped kill?

I think Clark being part of the establishment and seeing it first hand for what it can do is only a plus for him, he knows what it can do.

And if you knew a little about our History, you would know the few Generals we have had, were President during peacetime.

It's people who talk tough on war who has never experienced it that scare the hell out of me!

on edit: removed sarcasm due to holiday season.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:50 PM
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10. Getting shot up so you can put your 2 cents in here is good reason too
eom
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:51 PM
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13. Obviously you haven't read up on your US History
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 07:52 PM by RatTerrier
This country was founded on a Revolutionary WAR.

Slavery ended because of a war.

Tyrannical regimes were ended or curtailed because of war.

I'm not a big fan of war, but sometimes it is an inevitability. And being secure is something some people take for granted.

Wes Clark was willing to give his life for his country (and even sacrificed part of his leg). Howard Dean hit on snowbunnies for the sake of his country.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:53 PM
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14. People he killed ?Other killers include: JFK, George Washington
Grant, Tippicanoe and Andy Jackson.

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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:57 PM
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17. You forget...
Those who did not serve personally. Like Clinton, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower.

Good, powerful men who killed in their nation's name.

Don't kid yourself. Whoever gets elected president is going to take lives, directly or indirectly.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:00 PM
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21. Good, thoughtful point. WillyBrandt.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:56 PM
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16. The Clark supporters *do* lay the military rhetoric on pretty thick.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 07:56 PM by poskonig
Hence, I can understand why you get a militarist impression from the campaign.

I would point out that Clark's experience and professionalism would be a sharp contrast to Bush's ineptitude in executing various strategies around the world. A Clark presidency would make the entire world, including the United States, a much safer place.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:57 PM
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19. Your post was a dishonorable discharge
against the Corps of Clark Supporters, made at 2000 Hours on Sunday.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:59 PM
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20. LOL :)
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:57 PM
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18. lillib I just re-read your post
and there's something real odd about it.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but let's just say the tone of it is a lil' "off"
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lillib Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:02 PM
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23. Sorry, you guys are wrong
Vietnam did not help me be able to post here freely. If he had any decency he would not have went to fight there. Many objected and retained their dignity.

How did killing people in yogoslavia help me?

Next you will be telling me killing iraqi's is helping my freedom.

If you guys want to replace one repugnant killer with another one .. i guess thats your choice..

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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 08:03 PM
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24. You probably don't realise this yet but
things like your post don't draw a lot of support from the grownups.

Hopefully, most people will just ignore you until you have some time to learn the truth about the world, and how people actually live in it.

For example, the father of this President, the first President Bush was a fighter pilot in World War II. His son, of course, did manage to use his daddy's connections to stay out of Viet Nam, but that wasn't because he gave a shit about killing anyone else. He was happy enough when he was Governor of Texas to put whole slews of people to death.

There have been several Presidents who have been generals, from Eisenhower on back, and their "killing people" didn't have much impact on what they did in office.

The major event in Clark's career? He helped saved a million and a half people from genocide in the Baltics. That was a little more than five years ago, though I'm not surprised you aren't aware of it.

Much easier to listen to slogans.
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25. I am locking this thread....
Please do not post inflammatory messages.

Thanks,
DU Moderator
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