Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Should the Iraqis Be Compensated?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread		 This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:29 PM
Original message
Poll question: Should the Iraqis Be Compensated?
I have been pushing a petition that asks the UN to pass a resolution to require the Coalition of the Willing to compensate Iraqis who have suffered as a result of the war ( http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/IraqComp ) but very few have actually signed it including some who did not support the war (although some are having difficulty because they do not confirm their signature via email). So the question is do you believe that Iraqis should be compensated for the invasion
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. I don't know. How would they be compensated?
With what money? We're in a terrible mess.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I agree the US is in a terrible mess
but I also think that this time the administration should be forced, quite literally this time, to fix what it broke - I think, although painful - it would send a message to the Hawks as well as other nations around the world about the ramifications of international aggression.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I kinda agree, but I don't think it's possible
Not just in a political way.

Maybe if aliens/god/superman came down from the sky and made us...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Even if it happens
It would likely happen through the courts and not the UN itself but, it would still send a message, even if not a dime ever changed hands.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
22. Compensation
Every Alaskan Native and thousands of Alaskans receive money from oil. Although there are millions more Iraq natives, they also have millions more barrels of oil every day. Their country could compensate those who need it if the US doesn't grab it all!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
29. 40 acres and a DLC democrat!
We're into giving them worthless shit. This would qualify, plus it would rid us of some political puss that's getting in the way of our progress.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:37 PM
Response to Original message
3. I struggle with the notion of compensation.
The concept is largely what created the underlying conditions responsible for WW2 in Europe. And though most of us, myself included, would argue that this war was not necessary, some of them are (and yeah, i realize some here believe that's not true, but there was a little ceremony in Auschwitz this week that said otherwise).

Yet at the same time, efforts should be made to help rebuild after tensions have ceased. I don't think it should be a forced thing. However, I think that in the truest efforts of peace, a nations should feel compelled to help get a war torn country back on its feet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Most definitely we should help rebuild after tensions cease
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 06:39 PM by DireStrike
Unfortunately tensions will not cease until we leave. LONG after we leave. *sigh*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
5. Wait a minute. Weren't Iraq's oil revenues supposed to pay
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 06:39 PM by rzemanfl
for the reconstruction of the country. And weren't we supposed to get candy and flowers and shit? Now we're supposed to pay them for liberating them from their brutal madman dictator who threatened the World with his weapons of mass destruction?

This is screwed up, I'm going to vote for Kerry. When is that election again?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. That is, in a beautifully sarcastic way
one of the underlying messages :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:54 PM
Original message
I have been sarcastic my whole life and this is the first time
anyone has called my sarcasm "beautiful." I'm moved...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:04 PM
Response to Original message
15. Some of us just appreciate good sarcasm!
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 07:05 PM by justinsb
:toast: Cheers!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
7. We've already spent $1,000 per Iraqi
But only a very few have benefited. That money enriched the global corporatists and impoverished both Americans and Iraqis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Perhaps
But even if it had gone directly to the Iraqis, $1000 each would hardly pay for all the injuries, the deaths, the orphans and widows, the propery damage, the destruction of ancient antiquities, the lost wages, etc., etc.,
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #10
23. Indeed. I figure we've dug a $250 billion hole and only put about ...
... $50 billion back in. It'll take another $200 billion to get back to even. And that doesn't count the lives lost.

The piper will be paid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. US families get $12,000 for their dead bodies
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:53 PM
Response to Original message
11. Yes, of course!
It's hard to see an end to the hostilities. It's also hard picturing us having a warm partnership with them again, considering we've killed so many, but perhaps we SHOULD help them rebuild everything we destroyed and help them rebuild their economy.

And I really want the Bush Family to be sentenced to community service.

And I want Babs to have to go clean up the dead, rotting bodies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. well I'd like to see them
stand trial at the ICC but that's an entirely different issue :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:54 PM
Response to Original message
13. Only if it comes out of the pockets of those who wanted the war.
I shouldn't have to pay one dime for this bullshit. I did everything I could to stop it (short of measures Agent Mike wouldn't want me to talk about)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Well perhaps they'll have to
roll back Bush's tax cut (retroactively) to pay for it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. You and I and every other American will be the ones cleaning
up and paying for Bush's messes.

We are Americans. We HAVE to. It doesn't matter if we voted against Bush. We didn't prevent it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. Excellent point n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:02 PM
Response to Original message
14. I think we already to that.
Don't know the details, and I'm sure it's not enough but I heard or read somewhere that U.S. compensates victims of families who were mistakely targeted, etc.

I don't think the U.N. is the proper vehicle for this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:08 PM
Original message
Well the International Criminal Court
is probably a better vehicle, but the UN works faster and doesn't need to actually capture the administration for it to go forward
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
18. Reparations
Since it is the Republican party that wanted this war, they should be the ones who foot the bill. They have a great many "compassionate conservatives" who have been enriched by Bush's corporate welfare so they now have plenty of money to compensate Iraqis.

Problem solved.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. The CEOs of those who profited are the ones that SHOULD
pay. But typically it's the individual taxpayer who foots the bill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:12 PM
Response to Original message
21. I guess the analogy for me is
If a bunch of guys (just random guys) drive into your house in a bulldozer, kill members of your family and destroy everything you have of value, should they be held (at the very least) financially responsible, or is it enough that they just leave?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:07 PM
Response to Original message
24. Bush & Co and those who continue to support him and the illegal war should
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:13 PM
Response to Original message
25. A Marshall Plan for Iraq would be the best solution
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 08:14 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
but to avoid corruption, emphasize grants for individuals to rebuild their homes and businesses, sort of like Federal disaster aid.

I bet it would cost a lot less than continuing the war.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:18 PM
Response to Original message
26. We've spent a lot in Iraq already to rebuild, etc.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 08:18 PM by Clarkie1
More may be needed, but at some point, the Iraqis become responsible for their own actions, security, and state of their nation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. But the US (and the Coalition of the Willing) is responsible
for there being a war in the first place and so, in my mind, responsible for damages - all of the damages
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:22 PM
Response to Original message
30. Who the hell voted for #2 and especially #4???
That's pretty fucking COLD.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. I dunno about #2
but #4 would be your freeper lurkers
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. #2 is for the war enablers & apologists n/t
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 01:45 PM by Tinoire
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
31. Compensate the Iraqis and prosecute the American war criminals
From George Bush and Tommy Franks, to the neocons in the Pentagon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:29 AM
Response to Original message
34. A whopping 36 signatures on this one
so far. Make sure you confirm your signature via the confirmation email or it won't count.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC