Cnn just now-Novak saying the plan is to get troops out

Cnn just now-Novak saying the plan is to get troops out of Iraq as soon as possible-His whole presidency rests on this he says and Bush knows this -Ted Kennedy know this -and the people know this. He can not get on with his agenda SS until we get out.

heakline in near future---BUSH is a HERO--he got the troops out of IRAG!!

on your ability to stomach CNN, especially in the morning.

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must have just got karl`s latest memo.

By me several months ago. They will have their little "scam" election and than the "installed" leader will declare Iraq is now a democracy and ask the US to leave. The right wing media will declare a success and the US will retreat back to their Air Bases where they will maintain for future ops in the region. (Iran). Troops will initailly come home in big numbers, but they will be back in force at the "Air Bases" by August/September preparing to do battle duting the winter months in Iran/Syria/etc.

Bush desperately needs to create the appearance that we're done in Iraq.

There will be ground troops however still being killed. But from Novak's signal, I would imagine that we will no longer hear about it. Expect a large victory for freedom to be held with yet more medals of freedom awarded to friggin assholes. Well, that's what the Roman's did.

he had the "guts" to call for it.

:puke:

Opps...we just happen to stumble across the border into Iran. Ah well...let the bombing begin...

Halliburton is pulling out of Iran. Iran is way too bellicose, they'll hit Israel if we invade, and we can't have that. Much easier to just aima slew of tac nukes targeted on Teheran, Esfahan, Busheer, etc. tell the Iranians in no uncertain terms to sit tight, stay the fuck out of it and we won't bomb them, and then we invade Saudi Arabia.

Who will defend Saudi? Their military? Oh, yeah, that's right, their military is US, for the most part. We do all of their security work. We know that place like the back of our hand. The cities are easily isolated, the oil fields are distinct areas, it would be easy to just declare martial law, restrict travel between cities, co-opt cooperative forces, and bully those who do not cooperate.

Saudi would be way easier than Iran, especially if we plan it right. Oh, and pay off the Arab countries in the region that don't have oil, with oil.

The perception of the Saudis within the Arab world is not uniform. Some people like their charitable aspects, others think they are cheap bastards who don't give enough, who live too large, who are bossy about the Holy Places, who make claims (re: line of descendency from Muhammed) that they have not earned. And while Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and those along the North African littoral have a rich cultural tradition, inventing everything from Algebra to Astronomy to Geometry and Sherbet, the damn Saudis were just a bunch of camel herders out in the sand. They didn't have that erudite, learned, cultural tradition. What they did have was bully warlords, and they had the worst property, and they had...OIL. And oil trumped all of the culture, the history, the rich traditions of those more civilized nations.

There's resentment. If handled right, it could play well for BushCo. Of course, he is culturally tone-deaf, so he will have a hard time playing the nuance, and nuance would be required in this sort of effort!

Can we really have that?

Have you ever read House of Bush, House of Saud?

...it's a two-fer, see. You get rid of the corrupt geezers in the House of Saud, and you thrill the Equal Opportunity crowd, seeing as Bandar is the product of a prince and a Nubian slave woman.

And Bandar Bush will take orders with grace and ease, his command of English is better than weecowboy's, and hey, he's part of the family.

I've read the book!

who set fires so he could be the hero & put 'em out.

They aren't going to bring the troops home. They only want them puled out of Iraq so they can attack someone else. They know that they can't possibly invade anyone else when their troops are still tied up in Iraq.

presence.

Novak is lying on behalf of the liars-in-chief!!!

I bet the Al Qaida guys want Iraq to stay a mess forever -- it's living proof that America is both "bad" and can be "beaten". Having this "recruitment poster" forever suits their purposes I think. And if we leave and civil war breaks out -- resulting in millions of Iraqi deaths -- well, God, how horrible. I don't think leaving is as easy as Novak is making it sound. I think it's just a smoke screen -- they're just saying they want to leave to blunt the effect of anti-war sentiment.

feel we must stay to clean it up.

and couldn't care less about the Iraqis who they claim to have 'liberated' because they were so oppressed.

By shooting and napalming and torturing even more Iraqi citizens? There is very little work going on to rebuild the infrastructure even in those places that are supposed to be relatively calm.

I guess our mode of clean-up is to allow real estate developers and other corporate types to come in and build tourist destinations and high rise apartments for luxury living, etc and damn the average Iraqi.

The "new" government in Iraq (Allawi) will conveniently request that the US leave. Of course, it'll be important to leave some forces there, and plenty of independent contractors to help out with the oil, but other than that...

The only part of my theory I can't figure out is how they could leave without training Iraqi forces. Will they leave it to Europe? Will they shuttle them out of Iraq for training? Is there a way they could get some sort of independent private contractors to handle much of that as well?

He's already been selected. He's planning on an '08 run? He cares that he's not liked? Bush's feelings (he found one) are hurt?

Don't buy it. Bush thinks he's the messiah. We will be in Iraq until the neo-cons are gone. He will never ever ever admit defeat. If he wanted to be popular and secure the last election he could have pulled the troops out much earlier. Instead he just used Blackwell, since cheating doesn't interfere with his ideology-only admiting that his idea of shoving "freedom" down people's throat-literally-we will torture you and kill you and eventually you will relent-doesn't work.

You think he's going to give up on his grand idea? Ideas are what make ideolgists. It doesn't have anything to do with what actually is happening. I just saw a headline that said that Bush says the new leaders will want the troops to stay. Of course they do, they do whatever you tell them to say.

Sounds like Novak is just admitting to himself that Iraq is failed. Well, join the crowd, douchebag.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=4&u=/nm/20050129/ts_nm/iraq_bush_dc_1

Under pressure to start bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq (news - web sites) after Sunday's election, President Bush (news - web sites) said on Saturday that the U.S. mission must keep going to help the new government get its footing.

"As democracy takes hold in Iraq, America's mission there will continue," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "Our military forces, diplomats and civilian personnel will help the newly elected government of Iraq establish security and train Iraqi military police and other forces."


He added: "Terrorist violence will not end with the election."


How can he bring them home until the "terrorists" are gone?

they are now on lock down.

We might be leaving sooner than even Bob thinks.

I'll bet anyone any amount of money the new iraq
governemt" asks us to accelerate the timetable of vietnamization...er..training their army and leaving.

when this kid grown up and starts killing Americans...

DA
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm

At TBRNews.org a supposed insider has updated "The Voice of the White House" dated January 28. The prediction is that b*sh will declare the elections a victory no matter what the outcome is. He will then withdraw the troops despite the warnings of senior military officials of a bloody civil war. The troops will be "refreshed" to prepare for future wars in Iran and Syria.

I don't how how credible this "insider" is but this scenario would not surprise me. Lots of other scary things about b*ush in this article (as if we needed any more).

I read some of the archived columns. Lots of comments about how dangerous b*sh has become.

...as in dropping a dime, on your way out the door. Spilling the beans, as it were. Why do I wonder why he left?

of thought among conservatives -- those who are aware that Iraq is an unwinnable disaster, & want to cut our losses. This group is typified by James Baker, Scowcroft, & Brzezinski (conservative, though a Democrat). Unfortunately, that group has no power any more, and all the moves Bush has made since the US election show that he is not going to listen to these "elder statesmen" types (who, although they're conservative, still belong to the "reality-based" community).

A fine article on this, by Mike Whitney, is at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney01272005.html

two years.

Iraq as a great success, and the flock will faithfully put him on the pedestal.

Chimp has put himself in a catch 22....he can't leave too soon, as civil war is inevitable....but his staying will just lead to more casualties....his one out, and the one I think he will use, is to have the puppet regime "tell us" to leave in the next year or so. Chimp will claim victory and move on to the next distraction, Iran, while Iraq sorts itself out under our continued covert "assistance".....

I was just saying to someone recently that we'll shortly declare victory and bug out. Bush's whole "yes, we'll leave if asked" is a warm-up for that. We will have the puppets ask us to leave very shortly.

...have all the troops there.

It still won't work.

US...I'd like you to meet Quicksand. Ready? Set?

(the sounds of slow suffocation)