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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:59 AM
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Donnie Fowler on AAR this morning - Highly Underwhelming.
So, Fowler was on AAR this morning, and I have to say, even if Dean weren't running against him, I don't think I'd find much worth voting for in this guy. He gave some sort of stump speech at first about how the Democratic Party is pro-family and such. I was just about to yell, out loud, in my car, that anyone who has a family is pro-family when Mike did it for me.

His whole presentation had this sort of Stay The Course attitude to it. He sounds quite hell-bent on continuing to pander to voters that go the straight Red Ticket in every election. It sounded like his attitude was, "Well, we want to continue to only get our asses sort of kicked." Maybe he thinks he is going to fight the good fight, lose badly, and then feel great about himself afterwards. . . I don't know. I honestly had a bit of trouble listening to him, between the static from my radio and the static coming out of his mouth.

We need someone who preaches a little less "Republican Playbook" and a little more Sun Tzu. Donnie Fowler may have a lot to offer the Democratic Party, and he may be a bright guy. I don't know, the interview wasn't in depth enough to tell one way or the other. But one thing that was clear. . . based on what I heard this morning, he should not be placed at the helm.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:01 PM
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1. What would you have like to heard for him to be Highly Overwhelming? n/t
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 12:01 PM by xultar
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:03 PM
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2. I would have liked to hear him defend
a woman's right to choose.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:05 PM
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4. He's done that
He's very much pro-choice. All the candidates are with the possible exception of Roemer.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:07 PM
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5. No need to defend it. He's for it. Furthermore he's against the firing
squad mentality.

He didn't need to defend it cuz it wasn't even an issue in the interview.

Mark & Mark mostly asked him about the race and Dean. :eyes:
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:09 PM
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8. I would have liked to hear him talk about anything concrete.
Most of what I heard was in regards to these vague ideas like oppertunity. And again, yeah, I'm all for oppertunity. Who's going to be against oppertunity. But as far as I was concerned, he might as well have come on the radio and taken a strong, hardline stance against drowning kittens. Yeah, Donnie, no kidding.

The Democrats as they exist now don't seem to understand that politics in this nation has become a war. No one likes war. You should avoid war whenever it is possible so long as you don't have to surrender yourself to do so. The Republican Machine is an army, and the Democrats are, at best, a scattered, disorganized malitia. Until that changes, they'll always be in control of absolutely nothing.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:16 PM
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9. But the interviewers didn't ask him about anything really except DEAN.
How can you be concrete when all they ask you about is your opponent.

Don't get me wrong. I want Dean to get the chair. But, I think most people are so blinded that no one but Dean can say anything that will be heard.

HE said that he wanted the states to manage their own money and not have the national party to spend it.

That to me was concrete. Did you hear that?
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:27 PM
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13. Yes, I did hear that.
But I have to disagree. Anything that splinters the Democrats into individual races is going to further weaken them. All politics are local. That's absolutely true. Republicans know that. But they also know that unity, the presentation of their party as a movement and as a cause, is what garners much of their support.

Hey, I am not a Dean-iac. In fact, he wasn't even my first pick in the primaries (not that NJ gets to vote in the primaries). I just didn't hear anything from him that I couldn't have gotten from a mid-level office manager.

I also don't know that he can stay independant from those forces from within the party that want to keep things the same. That's my fear with him, to be honest. That Money and the Status Quo will take hold of this guy and suffocate whatever innovation and change he might have in him.

I also take issue with the Michigan Kerry campaign. My grandfather lives in Michigan, and is a life-long Democrat as well as a WWII veteran (one of the reasons he is pro-Democrat, if you'd believe it). He was a die hard Anybody But Bush kind of guy. He'd have voted for a head of cabbage if the Democrats ran it. And even he said he felt underwhelmed by the campaign and how it was run there. Kerry won Michigan by 3%. Those aren't Chairman of the Party credentials.

I get the gut feeling that this guy is hollow. Empty. It's the same sort of immediate reaction that I got when I was first exposed to Bush. . . except then my gut feeling was "Stupid Douchebag". I think in order to reform the DNC in any meaningful way, a Chairman who can consistantly slap down the stupidity is going to be needed, and I don't think Fowles has that in him. I don't think his skin is tough enough, honestly.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:03 PM
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3. I missed it.....
I hope they will replay it over the weekend on Sirius Radio. I need to hear it for myself.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:08 PM
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7. You'll be able to hear it tonite. You can get the mp3 @
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:08 PM
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6. I thought a couple of days ago when he said
"Do you want more of the same, or do you want something different" he meant he was bucking the system, ala Dean.

He says that these guys don't know how to win, but his idea of fixing that is to become more like the Republicans?

Dean for DNC Chair, Rosenberg as one of his deputies.

I has spoken.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:19 PM
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10. Yes, that is the problem. He talks about change, but hits the wrong notes.
I mean, no one in their right mind is going to campaign on "More Of The Same" for DNC Chairman, since the Democrats have been getting their asses kicked. But he has this idea, somehow, that Republicans win because of their policies and their actual issues. As if people really are voting for polution and bankruptcy.

What he fails to understand, or at least what he does a poor job of expressing if he DOES understand, is that Republicans understand the war of politics and the Democrats do not. They know how to work the system, how to persent themselves, and how to influence the machinery (figuratively and literally). Democrats are damn near blind in these areas, and that is why they lose.

Not because the entire country is ass backwards. Because their party is. And it's their own pride that won't let them see that. They'd rather assume that the entire nation wants Republican Lite candidates, and that's why they lose, than accept that they wouldn't know a good political infrastructure if it bit them in the ass.
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6th Borough Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:23 PM
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11. If Dean doesn't get it, I wouldn't mind Rosenberg in the least...but...
...Fowler is a complete nincumpoop. Period.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:27 PM
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12. Agreed, and please note I am not a Deaniac
I am a Kerrycrat, formerly a Clarkie. So I am not saying I want Dean because he's my guy. I want Dean because I think he will help up go forward.
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