Who were the 6 dems that supported Gonzales? eom

(1) Senator Ken Salazar (Colorado).

(2) Senator Joseph Lieberman (Conn.).

(3) Senator Ben Nelson (Neb.).

(4) Senator Mary Landrieu (La.)

(5) Senator Pryor (Ark).

(6) Senator Bill Nelson (Fla.)

All red staters except Joementum

he helped to take down the ticket

with kerry - they might have gotten more votes so that Bush could not lie/steal and gore would be in his second

VP. I of course voted for them though. But I think Lieberman pulled the vote down to within stealable range. President Gore and Vice President Kerry would have been inaugurated for the second time last week without Lieberman on the ticket.

with Lieberman on the ticket. That was before he opened his big mouth and said we should count the illegal military votes that were cast after the election.

Or was the Jewish vote in Florida the whole enchilada, thinking-wise?

scandal and part of Gore's attempts to distance himself from Clinton's personal behavior.

What a waste that decision ended up being.

Wasn't Clinton still okay by Dems? Or were they pretty sick of him at the time too? I wasn't paying all that much attention at that point.

Ultimately I think it was a mistake not to use the Rascal King to his full advantage.

best argument for being elected. When he tried to distance himself from Clinton's personal life, he distanced himself from the Clinton record.

Lieberman = republican

Lieberman was the first to speak out from the Dem side against Clinton. He was a prissy moralist who betrayed his party to take some presumed moral high ground. To his credit, Joe is a tight-assed fundamentalist. To his calumny, he's a religious nut.

Gore was spooked by the outcry from the "faithful"; it's yet another example of playing to the right. They hate us, and they shouldn't be pandered to.

Gore was a coward; he was spooked by the outcry against Clinton's immorality, and he distanced himself from him. That was shockingly stupid, and the choice of Lieberman was evidence of it. What did Lieberman bring? Possibly Florida (hahahahaha) but he alienated much more of the South. Whither Tennessee? How about Arkansas?

Clinton, for all his mistakes, made life better for the weak, and Gore was cowed into running from him because of the prissy assholes being offended by him. It was stupid. It was why Gore lost.

If you need more clarifications, write back.

As a County Assembly delegate and precinct chair, I helped get him elected. He let all of Colorado down.

“In my view, Judge Gonzales is better qualified than many previous attorneys general,” said freshman Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo.

And what exactly makes him better qualified, Ken?


http://www.denverpost.com/cda/article/print/0,1674,36%257E115%257E2641697,00.html

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So what does Salazar see in this guy?

"I'm particularly moved by his historical upbringing," the senator said, "the fact that he came from a place with 11 in his family all cramped into two rooms, his father with only a second-grade education." He went on to graduate from Harvard Law School, to become a justice on the Texas Supreme Court, to advise the president. Salazar said he was impressed with "the fact he's overcome those kinds of very significant obstacles to become a successful lawyer."

The lessons from a hardscrabble childhood are invaluable, Salazar said. "And his real-life experience will inform him in his role as attorney general," he said.

But a whole lot of his real-life experience has been as a loyal adviser to the president, one whose opinions often have provided legal cover - if only temporarily until the Supreme Court overruled them - for an administration bent on ignoring international law.

The concerns that Gonzales has appeared to authorize torture "are very serious questions that need to be asked," Salazar said. "And they are being asked in these confirmation hearings. He needs to explain his role."

There's a chance that information will emerge from the hearings that will persuade him to vote against Gonzales' confirmation.

"That's a distinct possibility," Salazar said. "But I'm hopeful that will not be the case."

lieberman, basically a republican.

some not too surprising

ben nelson, landrieu, and pryor. they are pretty conservative.

bill nelson is an utter dissapointment. i will NOT vote for him next time. If he gets the nomination I will not vote for that office, period.

and salazar I dont understand. is it because gonzales is hispanic? if so that is a pitiful shame, that he cant see evil because its wrapped in a familiar disguise.

There is no excuse whatsoever for supporting Gonzales in anything, let alone as the top lawyer in this country. The scope of this tragedy is nauseating and terrifying in its implications. The rest of the world knows what it means too, so our reputation as a nation that supports torture and concentration camps is reinforced. Of course, having Rice as Stepfordwife of State is another blow - she is "the face of the nation to the rest of the world" and is a proven, bloody-handed liar.

We need to remember the names of these Democrats and get them out of office. No excuses. They cannot be trusted again, if they every were.

And we also need to remember that NOT ONE REPUBLICAN stood to oppose Gonzales. Hello, McCain admirers? Please pay attention here. What does this say about how he really shares your values and is a tough, decent guy who fights for what is right? Think about it.

We will not forget.

they think it will, but they are still going to be challenged next round by repugs. I hate stupid political calculations like this. It doesnt work. Blue dog democrats have had their behinds beaten in red states all over the place- you think theyd learn by now.

These "DEMS" can be swiftboated by the GOP/media regardless.

Lets not mix up pro-torture/Bush "DEMS" with real, stout-hearted DEMS.

Or is he still half in the doghouse?

I put the pom-poms down when they do not.

Its that simple.

There were those who were calling for us Wisconsinites to oust Feingold.

There's support and non-support. But if we're going to call for their heads, then cover them with kisses, then call for their heads again, this is going to get weird for me as a Wisconsinite Democrat with a maverick for a Senator.

When a Democrat does somthing I agree with- I will say so.

When a Democrat does somthing I disagree with- I will say so.

Kerry is MY President, flaws & all. I have certainly decided to cut him a break for now- he has been great over the past week or so.

I still have to deal with maverick boy, though.

I think you also have to look at a public official's overall stance when deciding if you will ultimately support them in an election.

Yes, Kerry the shadow prez has been doing pretty well. It helps me cope to support what he's up to, and I'm glad he's up to something.

link that has been posted on other thread that I found really informative. It rate the various senators on their votes so far this year.
http://patrickhenrythinktank.org/sen-scores.html

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