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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:20 AM
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Why is it that people think all anti-war liberals never served.
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 05:25 AM by rpannier
The pundits talk like no veteran would ever be opposed to this debacle in Iraq -- either from the beginning of the whole thing or would have joined belatedly.
I AM a veteran and I am proud of it. I find this whole mess in Iraq to be criminal and incompetant. I served and I oppose this war.
I choose to show support for my fellow soldiers by flying my American flag everyday and by opposing this administration everyday.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:27 AM
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1. Thank you for your service
All these pro-war types are arm-chair warriors.

If they're all so gung-ho, why don't they enlist for the glorious Iraqi Freedom Fiasco?

People who are truly pro-military know that you don't go to war unless you have to.
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:32 AM
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2. All pundits exposing that drivel are either felons or chickenhawks
I'm thinking of course about Ollie, G. Gordon, Fatboy, O'Liely, Insanity, Coulter, Rummy, Condi...need I go on?

I'm a veteran too and have been strongly opposed the Iraq War from the start, however I did support the effort in Afghanistan.

There's no such thing as a good war, or a bad peace.
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:35 AM
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3. Funny you should mention this...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3115063

Read the article, then send the pigsuck an e-mail pointing out the obvious stupidities of his assumptions.

(Oooooh, quick pop quiz: which member of the Bush Administration initially opposed the invasion of Iraq?

(1) Cheney
(2) Rummy
(3) Li'l Dubbie
(4) Powell

Hint: it was the guy with genuine military experience.)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:40 AM
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4. I served and I am disusted with this phony "war on terrorism"
and I am absolutely SICKENED by the misuse of our military by these chickenhawk neocon bastards
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:50 AM
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5. Because they themselves haven't served
They imagine that if someone who is as fiercely pro-war as them hasn't served or refuses to serve, then it blows their minds to imagine that anti-war liberals just may have defended this country in the armed forces at some time.
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Patriot Acts Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:54 AM
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6. I served, I care.........
.........Bush still sucks! ...and so does his war(s)!
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:02 AM
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7. I hated war...
... but, for a lot of related reasons, I enlisted, and resisted war while I was in. Which is a lot more than I can say for Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, DeLay, Hastert, Feith, Perle, et al.

War is avoidable. All it takes is common sense. The current bunch in the White House think war is necessary. Fie on them.
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BNW Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:22 AM
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8. Chickenhawks
I recently came across a list of Senators and Representatives who served and who are critical of the war in Iraq. On the other side, of course, are Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al..

I'll never forget Sen. Lautenberg's chickenhawk speech: they shriek like hawks but have the backbone of chickens. They rushed to war but they didn't rush to serve.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:30 AM
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9. Darned right!
My neighbor and his fellow vets protested the war and have kept up an information service on what is really going on. Thank you for your service, and thanks to my neighbor and the VVAW chapter of NW Arkansas.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:37 AM
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10. pro war conservatives are usually the ones who havent served.
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 06:38 AM by jonnyblitz
I am an anti-war "loonie leftist" vet...
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Sympleesmshn Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:41 AM
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11. My dad got out right after Desert Storm...
He was an adviser to a more senior officer in this last post, and he told the Generals, who he had contact with, that after we liberated Kuwait we move on and take out Saddam Hussein. It was Bush Sr. who did not let it happen. My father was against the war in Iraq, because he knew what we would get ourselves into, another Vietnam, or our own Russian Afghanistan type thing. Thanks for your service, and you aren't the only liberal that feels that way...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:18 AM
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12. Like these "anti-war liberals who never served"?
President GHW Bush, 1998;

"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors, and national security adviser under President Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush:

Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts. "Our pre-eminent security priority--underscored repeatedly by the president--is the war on terrorism. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/iraq_yang020815.html

Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. David Hackworth (ret), America's most highly decorated soldier:

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran:

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."

http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency:

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Retired General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command:

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Col. Mike Turner (ret), Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm:

“The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm:

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3Ehttp://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

Retired Envoys, Commanders Assail Bush Team
Administration Unable to Handle 'Global Leadership,' 27-Member Group Asserts


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46538-2004Jun16.html

Vietnam Veterans Against the War
http://www.vvaw.org/

Veterans Against the Iraq War
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php

Veterans for Common Sense
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org

Veterans for Peace
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:50 AM
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13. Can anyone point me to a link that shows military service
for democrats/liberals vs. republicans/conservatives leaders or pundits? I have seen them around before and wanted to show it to my conservative Republican boss.

Olaf
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:27 AM
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25. Who served?
Prominent Democrats
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)


Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.

Prominent Republicans
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.


Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)


Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations http://www.house.gov/cunningham/about_duke.htm#Biography
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

-more-




http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html



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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:20 PM
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27. Self deleted, posted in wrong spot N/T
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 10:23 PM by Rebellious Republica
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:52 AM
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14. Why is it that warmongers never server either (and that's a fact!!)
Go figure!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:52 AM
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15. I served but my flag fell down so I threw it in the trash. n/t
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:29 AM
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16. hop on over to soldiers for the truth -- many of those vets are anti-war
sftt.org has a discussion forum where you'll find many veterans bad-mouthing george bush and the iraq war. not to say that any of these guys are liberals -- quite the contrary, most of them seem to be libertarians. but they are frothing at the mouth about bush.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:51 AM
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22. A veteran on sftt -- great summary of the Jim/Jeff controversy
at SFTT.org, one of the veterans writes about what the Jim/Jeff story means. Just a reminder that many people who have served their country are NOT behind this president:

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"A male prostitute disgraces the military uniform by appearing in solicitation ads in various states of undress on the net. He does not report the income he receives as a prostitute and does not pay taxes upon the income. Most of his customers are senior miliary officers (see the reviews of his performance at Men4Men.com)visiting the pentagon from out of town. He does not pay his state income taxes. Also, back in his home state, while working as a high school gym teacher and wrestling coach, his part time job is hustling -- he has ads in local gay magazines and then on the internet.

None of these crimes and ethical violations are prosecuted. The man isn't even admonished.

He gets a job with a newly formed internet web site. He and the site are approved for the White House press corps, in just 4 days, even though the site is brand new and has no publications. He's okayed as a reporter, even though he's never written anything.

As part of the White House press corps, using daily passes, he uses an alias. Use of the alias is accepted by the Press Secretary and the White House for nearly two years. What gets most any person working in any white collar occupation fired the same day it is discovered -- using an alias -- is tolerated for two years.

The reporter is shown a confidential cia memo revealed to only 5 other people in the administration and then reveals the info inadvertantly. Nothing happens to him for giving up the name of our secret agent.

As a reporter, he consistently asks gift questions that help the press secretary and the president to be seen in a good light and the opposition in a bad light. He is the "go to" guy when either becomes flustered.

Yet, both the press secretary and the president profess not to know who he is. The president says so even though nine months before, he grabbed the fellow in a hug and rubbed the gentleman's bald pate for "good luck", so to speak. Even though that's the type of affectionate gesture that most politicians remember having done for years after, our president claims he didn't remember who Mr. Gannon (Guckert) was when the president called on him in a press conference, even though remembering that type of interaction is the president's strongest emotional intelligence (and he is superior in that regard to most every politician of national stature since 1900 (yes, 1900) other than Bill Clinton).

Is all this a huge scandal?

Well, not by the Republican Party. They have an extremely flexible definition of right and wrong. After all, lying to the public and the world to send our soldiers to their deaths in Iraq is not perceived by them to have been inappropriate behavior. Ignoring 52 separate incident reports to the FAA in the Spring and Summer of 2001 that a violent highjacking mght occur is not construed to have been an error. So the possibility that Senior level administrators in the White House and the Republican party may have been blackmailed over gay sex, national security secrets revealed, communications regulations and protocol violated, income not reported and taxed, altogether may simply be standard operating procedure for W's administration."
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Ms_Mary Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:32 AM
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17. One of my anti-war liberal friends was a nurse in Viet Nam.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:45 AM
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18. They live in a dream world, rpannier.
They think that everyone who is "Patriotic" thinks exactly like them. They think "Patriotism" means always supporting your government, even when it's wrong. Of course, they didn't support the government in its war on poverty, but that doesn't count, of course.

And also, it seems to me that veterans would be against war more than anyone else. You've all seen the horror of war first-hand. I'm against war, but I can't really imagine what it's like to be right there. I probably can't hate the thought of war as much as you do, having been in it. Dwight Eisenhower (a good Republican, IMO) once said, "I hate war as only one who has served can."
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:47 AM
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19. Plus,
most of those war hawks have never served. In a perfect world, they're the only assholes who should have to fight in this unnecessary war.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:48 AM
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20. I mean, who do they think served while they were covering their...
...own Chickenhawk asses?

NGU.


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inslee08 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:49 AM
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21. To answer the question...
people are remembering the draft-dodging days of the Vietnam war, although there were plenty of vets against that war too.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:16 AM
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23. I was in 8 years, Honorable Discharge, went some crummy places
and I feel awful for my brothers and sisters fighting for greed and lies.

BUT LISTEN: IT ISN'T YOUR FAULT!

They lied to you, they lied to me, and history will show them as liars.

You are much braver than the wimps like Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Hannity, Frist, etc. etc. (it's a long list!) who chickened out when it was their turn to fight.

STAY STRONG. Do what's right. Come back alive.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:24 AM
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24. Good question. And here's another:
Why is it that people (okay, Bush cultists) think that just b/c someone once accepted the common "wisdom" that anti-war activists were "way out there", that person can't later see the wisdom of the anti-war activists' position?

Bush cultists refuse to believe that I could've supported their filthy idol, but then realized that he is evil. Oh, well... there are a lot of things that Bush cultists refuse to believe... so much for the novel idea that they might actually analyze a question rationally.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:44 PM
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26. I served 1 year Army National Guard before
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 09:45 PM by olafvikingr
spending 4 years active duty Navy as a Gunners Mate (honorably discharged). Served on a deployment to the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. I am a liberal and I served. F*ck the chickenhawks!

Olaf
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:27 PM
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28. I served ten years and vehemently oppose the Iraq occupation!
I have had people call me unpatriotic for speaking out against this war for profits.

Then I would explain to them that I am a vet, run down my list of medals, awards and decorations.

Tell them about all the fun I had in Beirut and a few other places, and ask them what they have done for their country.

Usually at that point, they slink away, because most of them have done nothing.

On the odd occasion that I have encountered a freeper vet, we both understood that we have earned the right to voice our opinions, and the conversation would end civilly.

I proudly support our troops, most of them are in because of economic reasons.

It was my only way out, there were no trust funds, well to do parents, or college grants in my future.

I can not fault them for wanting to better themselves and their situations.

I can however find fault in the policy makers that send them into harms way for the sake of fattening their bank accounts and writing the checks with their blood.

This was an illegal and unjustified war!


















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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 10:58 PM
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29. VN 1969 101st..my former capatain is anti-bush and I have many VFW pals
who are against the smirking chikenhawk..
My one buddy jumped on D-Day and says bush wraps himself in the flag that he NEVER honored plus he thinks papabush war record is lies...
the family are the original American liars..NO FAMILY IN US HISTORY has benefitted from wars more than bush..sam bush sold ammo to the Kaiser in WW I
all in a days sleeze for these TRAITORS
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:12 PM
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30. Navy, late 60s/early 70s ... Anti Iraq War(tm)
Served when Elmo Zooomy was CNO .... he was a leader.

Great Leader Chimpus Khan .... not a leader ... more a dumb fuck giggling murderer

Hey ... King Khan ..... up yours, motherfucker
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 05:55 PM
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31. Husb2Sparkly, Ex-Navy myself, I like your finger wave graphic....
Here is one (or two) I use when saluting the opposition.............



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