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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:26 AM
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**Senate to vote on Michael Chertoff nomination 4PM Today**
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:28 AM
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1. Are we watching them polish the rubberstamp off
all day?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:34 AM
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2. You don't think that ANY Democrats will oppose?
:shrug:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:36 AM
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3. I hope someone does.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:37 AM
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4. sure, the same ones who have been.
but will it matter? the repubs most likely have the gusto to push chertoff through. unless they have some major league dissenssion in their ranks.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:56 AM
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5. There are enough Democrats in the Senate to filibuster
It only take 41 votes to do so, and there are 44 Democrats and one independent who usually votes with the Democrats.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 11:11 AM
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7. and i think we'll get some repub support on this.
there are enough paleos in the senate to probably hold chertoff off. if we can get them together.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:03 PM
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8. What Republicans do you think will oppose this?
:shrug:
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:14 PM
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9. i'm not real sure.
but i do know that they're out there, and that bush has probably alienated these traditional fiscal conservatives.. maybe find someone who follows congress a little more closely? :shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:47 PM
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12. I seriously doubt that any Republican Senator will oppose this
Not one of them opposed Gonzales and Rice. This one seems to be a lot less controversial.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:40 PM
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16. The vote was just held
No one voted against conformation.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:35 PM
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17. NOONE?
you gotta be fucking kidding me.


ugh. this means war.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 05:50 PM
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18. 98-0. Here is the roll call:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00010
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:21 PM
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10. I'm sure he'll be OK'd. I don't know why anyone would want this job
anyway! I also don't think this is a nomination we should fight. Better to fight the stupid budget, and SS reform. We'd have some Pub allies on those 2 issues!!!

It's stupid to try to fight EVERYTHING. Pick your battles.
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r3dhawk Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:40 PM
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11. why fight?
Is he even a bad choice? I understand the opposition to gonzo and condi but as far as I know, he seems like an alright guy
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:39 PM
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15. Hope you like breathing underwater.
You don't seem to care if anyone else is tortured.
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fnottr Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:50 PM
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13. seeing as torture boy and condiliar were confirmed
I really can't see any fillibuster over Chertoff coming up. Anyway, I haven't really been following this, how is he worse than anyone else * might put up?

I mean, I know he supports *'s policies, that goes without saying, but has he done the equivalent of lying us into a war or advising the use of torture?
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 04:12 PM
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14. Biden, Kerry and Boxer just voted yes...
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 04:14 PM by ticapnews
Patty Murray as well...I just tuned in, but this might be a unanimous confirmation...
edit to add: Dayton voted aye also.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:16 PM
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19. how do you separate the turds from the whey
well, all these guys are about the
same caliber...they come with a record
of lying, covering up and breaking
laws. Chertoff was just another,
and all Dems should still not vote for
this behavior and the behavioree
for the highly important positions
they are nominated for.
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B0S0X87 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 06:48 PM
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20. I don't get the uproar over this
Condi: maybe. Alberto: hell yeah. But c'mon people, you gotta pick your battles. Even Boxer, Kennedy and Feingold voted 'aye.'
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:18 PM
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21. Did they get the memo Levins was demanding
I hope so. Levins was making the point that they need to be given the info to do their jobs.

And I agree. We need to pick our battles. That may be why everyone wasn't going nuts over this. Not much uproar really. Almost no attention here yesterday.
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fnottr Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:22 PM
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22. I think this was smart
I don't know of anything especially odious about Chertoff, and this take a little wind out of their constant cries that we're 'obstructionists'.
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GreenInNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 07:45 PM
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23. 98-0
Sure sounds like an opposition party
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:30 PM
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24. Opposition means more than just saying 'no' to everything
It is necessary to provide alternatives and to pick our battles.
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:51 PM
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25. 98-0 Did Hillary vote?
I remember she was one of the few, if only, to vote against Chertoff as judge -- and that was personal :-)

Not that I don't think that was a good thing
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 01:45 PM
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26. Yes. Only Baucus and Specter did not vote
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00010
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