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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:58 AM
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FBI targets pedophilia advocates

By Onell R. Soto
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
10:08 p.m. February 17, 2005

Little-known group promotes 'benevolent' sex
On its Web site and newsletters, the North American Man/Boy Love Association advocates sex between men and boys and cites ancient Greece to justify the practice.

It goes by the acronym NAMBLA, and the FBI has been following it for years, linking it to pedophilia and recently infiltrating it with an agent successful enough to be asked to join the group's steering committee.

Law enforcement officials and mental health professionals say that while NAMBLA's membership numbers are small, the group has a dangerous ripple effect through the Internet by sanctioning the behavior of those who would abuse children.

"A lot of people who commit sexual crimes against children won't believe it is wrong," said Gregg Michel, a San Diego psychologist who interviews sex offenders for Superior Court sentencings. "An organization like this basically says it is not."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manboy-daily.html
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:07 AM
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1. That would be GREAT if NAMBLA linked back to the WH
South Park did a great show on NAMBLA a few years ago.

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:51 AM
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6. Why be a member when as government itself you can take the lists.
..and then choose victims from a law enforement compiled book. And be prewarned about any investigation that might find you. Squash the investigation that does. Hide the investigation that gets too close.

Oh yes, make yourself appear to be tough on crime. That way no one will suspect you. Offer some group as a target, that way people look at them, not at you.

In other words, be a good RepubliCON.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:44 PM
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20. It is very interesting that the LAST time this group was in the spotlight
on a regular basis Poppy was in office and there was a WH scandal involving orphaned male children and Midnight tours of the WH. Gary Caradori supposedly had EVIDENCE and witness testimony that one of these children fingered Poppy as being in attendance at a sex party. Caradori died in a fiery plane explosion along with his "son." before the wreckage was even cool the FBI raided his home and took all his records. NAMBLA is one SICK organization!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:22 AM
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:45 AM
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3. You are comparing NAMBLA to organized religion...
Really. Wow.

"My biggest problem with it that, as children, half the membership may not fully understand what they're getting into by joining, which could mean molestation and rape, but I'm not sure that I find this particular organization any more appalling than organized religions, which have the same problems."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:47 AM
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:49 AM
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5. Nambla exists for the express purpose of paedophilia.
Organized religion does not.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:07 PM
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:11 PM
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9. I understand your agenda.
Sigh, its an old, tired, dishonest one. BTW, I'm an Atheist and it still offends my intellect.

Bye.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:28 PM
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13. Really? I'm curious, what do you think my agenda is? - n/t
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:03 PM
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7. Two things....there are millions of more members of organized
...religion than there are NAMBLA members. At least attempt to be mathematically honest when comparing.

Secondly, organized religion does not exist to advocate pedophilia. NAMBLA does.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:12 PM
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10. True, but do you think a molested child cares about per capita ratio?
Also, though organized religion does not exist to advocate pedophilia, children are still molested due to the structure of organized religion, conditions that it creates in whose absense the molestation would not occur. The stated motives of organized religion are merely less honest in not recognizing this.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:15 PM
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11. By your logic, parenthood is just as responsible for child molestation.
I guess we should stop that as well.

And, any intelligent human being cares about per capita ration when making comparisons. Use your brain and stop with the crocodile tears.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:36 PM
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15. Make giant leaps much?
You are the one bringing parenthood into the argument. It isn't by my logic at all, as I was comparing human organizations, not human conditions. Also, your attempt to imply that I'm unintelligent for successfully addressing your statistical argument is much more of an irrational and juvenile emotional response than my assertion that molested children don't care about statistical relevance after the fact. That you would consider attempting to elevate your own intelligence by attacking mine shows just who is intellectually superior in this instance.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:15 PM
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12. Right. You want to start a flamewar.
You have fun with that. I hope nobody bites and that you are left alone in your hatred.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:39 PM
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16. Not really, I was just reacting to the article.
Since it wasn't presented as a question or a poll, I assumed that the original poster was looking for peoples' opinions about the post. I gave mine, which you had enough of a problem with to start arguing with me about. Now that you are tired of arguing with me, you are trying to dismiss me. However, I still stand by my position. Now, you're excused.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:42 PM
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18. Are you saying atheists never molest children?
Gimme a friggin break, religion has NADA to do with NAMBLA.

NAMBLA endorses OPENLY the molestation and exploitation of children.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:44 PM
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22. Not at all, you are saying that.
I'm saying that NAMBLA and organized religion are both organizations whose members molest children. I am also saying that NAMBLA is more honest than organized religion by stating its practice where organized religion tries to hide the fact that, due to its organization and beliefs, child molesters are allowed to assume positions of power within them and molest more children with greater freedom and less risk than members of the FBI-monitored NAMBLA.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:59 PM
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24. I don't think organized religion is any more guilty than little league
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 02:03 PM by mzmolly
coach organizations or the organizations of school teachers around the globe.

Teachers, coaches, ice cream salesmen, parents, counselors, foster parents, babysitters, neighbors etc. all molest children. People who molest children place themselves in positions around "children" (where there is prey, there are predators.)

Not one church openly endorses molesting children as does NAMBLA so your statement is quite a stretch.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:18 PM
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25. I never said it was, I simply didn't list little league originally.
Why do I have to keep repeating what I did and didn't say? Re-read my posts, dropping your assumptions this time, then come back if you have something meaningful to say.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:23 PM
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26. What you said was:
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 02:24 PM by mzmolly
I'm not sure that I find this particular organization any more appalling than organized religions, which have the same problems.

I don't think it's reasonable to compare organized religion to NAMBLA, sorry. Doing so diminishes the fact that NAMBLA is ABOUT exploiting and harming children. Organized religion has a different goal.

Adding, I do understand your greater point. I just think it's a huge stretch to compare the two.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:56 PM
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27. Well, thanks for your input. - n/t
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:34 PM
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14. Good for the FBI. These people are twisted depraved beyond
comprehension and should be removed from society. Period.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:40 PM
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17. I think they've been very successful so far. - n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:43 PM
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19. Good use of my tax dollars!
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 12:45 PM by mzmolly
Get this:

"Membership costs $35 a year, according to the NAMBLA Web site. Prison inmates can join for free and get a subscription to the monthly newsletter that includes articles such as "Is Harry Potter Gay?" and "Letter from a Twelve-Year-Old." The organization links itself to the gay-rights movement, but mainstream gay organizations disavow such a parallel.

Delores A. Jacobs, who heads The Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center of San Diego, said her organization does not "support or in any way condone the sexual abuse or exploitation of minors by adults."


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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:47 PM
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21. It's a far better use of the FBI than arresting medical marijuana patients
I hope they get each and every member of NAMBLA
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:46 PM
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23. Amen.
I would argue that this is a better use of the FBI than the entire "drug war," but, then, I like smoking pot.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:44 PM
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28. NAMBLA sends drawings of nude boys to applicants.
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/reachme/NAMBLA.html

Someone investigated this group in New York state.
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