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kevinam

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Tue Feb-22-05 07:35 PM
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Dem Social Security plan...

Hey, I am in a debate with some right wingers and need some help. I know the liberal media is just democratic spokesperson, after liberal activist, so I should already know the answer to this question. But...What is the dems plan(s) for social security?? Can anyone provide me some links to find it?? I tried google, and other search engines without much success. Can ya help???
Thanks.
Kevin.

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whistle

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Tue Feb-22-05 07:43 PM
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1. Have them go to Schumer's site and ask them why Bush's plan

...reduces SS benefits for every option while the current plan works just fine.

http://www.schumer.senate.gov/calc

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johncoby2

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Tue Feb-22-05 07:58 PM
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4. Better yet, it is called common sense.

Fix the economy. Create jobs. Stop the bleeding in states. Stop the war and the money pit we have created.

Then with the surplus, like we had in the 90s, we shore up SS.

While we are in debt to our ears, and with a $400 Billion deficit, a war on our hands, and wanting to spread peace and democracy around the world, we cannot take steps to modify SS at this time.

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whistle

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Tue Feb-22-05 08:07 PM
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5. And take back the $1.5 trillion in tax hand outs that Bush gave to

...the wealthy

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johncoby2

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Tue Feb-22-05 07:54 PM
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2. We have a plan. Its called Social Security.

As in the past, changes to SS must be bipartisian. There is no crisis, problem, disaster, except for the person who is proposing wide, partisian attacks on the current system.

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wildflower

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Tue Feb-22-05 07:57 PM
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3. I was going to post something similar but you said it better than I!

Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 08:00 PM by wildflower

We have a plan. It's called Social Security.

Keep the plan the way it is - that is the plan.

-wildflower

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kevinam

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Tue Feb-22-05 08:21 PM
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6. Thanks, everyone...does this mean...

the Dems are finally doing something smart. Instead of making it a Dems vs Bush. It is privatization (Bush*) vs how the system has worked for so many years. I think I see the light. Thanks for your help.

Kevin.

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many a good man

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Tue Feb-22-05 08:40 PM
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7. SS needs help and Dems don't have a plan

The surplus will be exhausted in 40 years and it'll only be able to pay 80% of the promised benefits so we have to tweak something. Dems haven't really floated any ideas (raise age?). ** has even beaten us with the idea of raising of the cap.

I think the official Democratic line is that there's no hurry to fix it so let's form another respectable commission to deliberate the options.

**'s deception is that he wants to "fix it" without raising taxes or reducing benefits-- the only solution according to the "reality-based" community.

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wildflower

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Tue Feb-22-05 08:44 PM
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8. I thought raising the cap was originally the Dems' idea?

Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 08:45 PM by wildflower

I've also heard Dems suggest rolling back the tax cuts to the wealthy.

-wildflower

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many a good man

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Tue Feb-22-05 09:02 PM
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9. ** made news with it first so he owns it

He was the first one to put it on the table, according to the MSM.

None of the ** tax cuts touched SS. SS is self-funded, it doesn't rely on anything except the payroll tax. The first priority has to be make sure that there's tax revenue available to be able to pay back those bonds SS invested the surplus starting in 15 years. That'll be the first recommendation given any blue ribbon panel worth its salt.

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