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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:17 AM
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Poll question: What should we do about Iran?
First read this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1617281&mesg_id=1617281

On this small sample we have 74% of respondents saying that Iran will soon have nukes.

Now the question is what should the United States do about that?
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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:22 AM
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1. We should do nothing because...
Iran doesn't have nukes. It's all about the bush family controlling all the oil in the middle east. Combine that with they are buddies with the Saudis and they can be the richest most powerful family in history, or try to be at any rate.
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:31 AM
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4. But if they did have nukes...
Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 08:32 AM by leftyandproud
action may be necessary. They have repeatedly expressed their desire to see Israel destroyed, and they really, really hate the USA. Unlike Iraq, they would be a serious threat. I wouldn't object to taking out their nuke facilities if we had evidence of a bomb.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:50 AM
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Israel has expressed the same desire about THEIR neighbors as well
and yet we think it's fine they have 200-300 nukes pointed at their neighbors! Why isn't Iran allowed to defend themselves?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:51 AM
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6. Can you give a quote please?
Where Israeli Leader expressed a desire to destroy neighboring countries. All I remember them saying is that they wanted to defend themselves.
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:03 AM
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7. *enjoying the silence*
Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 09:04 AM by leftyandproud
You won't get a reply because it is ridiculous. I hate when the right talks about "moral relativism"...but seeing posts like the previous one, I can see where they are coming from.

"Israel has nukes. Why shouldn't their radical, violent, antidemocratic, Islamofascist neighbor have them too? We should be even handed and non-judgmental."

gag me
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:50 AM
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5. Kind of reminds one of the Boy Who Cried Wolf.
I mean after Iraq, who's going to take the Bush Adminstration seriously if they tell us Iran has nukes. Or is close.

Yet another dividend of our wise and glorious leaders decision to take us to war under false pretenses.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:08 AM
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8. That's a serious problem
that you are describing.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:55 AM
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18. Not to rain on your tin foil hat parade
but what percentage does the bush family now control in middle east oil?

I'm no fan of bushco, but it is ridiculous to say it's all about oil when Iran certainly can be a threat to us indirectly.

Will they? Who knows, but it certainly behoofs us to make an effort diplomatically to ease tensions and at least talk and let it be know we will defend Israel.

There are known terrorist ties to Iran. Just look at Iraq, a lot of the insurgent funding is coming from Iran.

I certainly hope you are right about no nukes in Iran because I live in the Tampa area and Centcom is right on the bay. Target rich environment.

I hate that glow in the dark feeling



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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:38 PM
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19. Iraq had no wmd and as far as insurgents go...
Put yourselves in their shoes. You have no wmd, you've been invaded, and The U.N. has said no it will not support you. You are not wanted, I am not a big Iraq fan. Never have been. But if I was over there and my country was invaded unjustly, I would do whatever it takes to get those people out of my country. As far as Iran goes, he'll use "diplomacy" first, if you believe that, but he'll come up with an excuse to bomb Iran, assuming he hasn't already put plans in to take them out.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:22 AM
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2. They are going to be allies of Iraq now
So I think a dialogue, possibly leading to full diplomatic relations should take place.

Weapons inspections can be used with the incentive of additional humanitarian aid and/or opening trade with the US.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:26 AM
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3. Give them all our nuclear waste

and let them solve that problem for us and see what a great thing it is to have a nuclear industry.

Think of how happy it will make Nevada.

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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:48 AM
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9. We should be working with the Europeans on this one
in stead of actively trying to doom theif efforts...bushco want the european initiative to fail, so they can use it as an excuse to attack...but the europeans will absolutely blame the americans for WWIII after we sabotage their efforts. the other world power players aren't standing idly by this time either...we have the EU involved up to their ears in desperate diplomacy, the russians just in th last three weeks have started to change the strategic balance of power by shipping syria advanced weapons to resist the isreali's and putin announces that he will personally visit iran and that russia supports their nuclear ambitions etc...and on top of that syria and iran form a "common front".

getting into iran/WWIII, as bushco will soon learn aint going to be the cakewalk that operation fake WMD's/iraq was...other countries have organized and are organizing against the blatant use of US naked aggression once again...as they should and would.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:56 AM
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10. None of the 4 options is entirely satisfactory.
Some combination of 3 & 4 represents my view. I believe we should make every good-faith efort to resolve this problem diplomatically; if that fails, however, we cannot deprive ourselves of a military option. Iran IS an Islamo-fascist state who would gladly anihilate Israel the very instant it thought it could do so, the consequences be damned. We cannot afford to be so naive as to fall into the trap of believing in the benign/peaceful intentions of the mullahs who rule Iran.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:09 AM
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11. Other..
Send relief in either funds or supplies for the latest earthquake that killed over 500 people :(
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:21 AM
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12. Do you think they would
let us air lift some supplies in by helicopter? :)
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Sympleesmshn Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:27 AM
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13. I think we can get into a real pinch over this
I think all we need is some diplomacy and prayer....
Anything else would do more harm then good...
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:33 AM
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14. bomb their nuclear facilities
Strategic surgical bombing strikes could take out their nuclear facilities. That would result in fewer casualties then a ground war and reduce the risk of Iran having nuclear weapons by doing nothing.

I'd feel so much better about this if President Kerry or President Gore were doing this because Bush will fuck it up.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:35 AM
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15. Lead by example. Cut our nuclear arms by 50%. More later.
As the nation with the world's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, and the only one to ever have used them, and the one who threatens to use them most often, we could start moving toward nuclear disarmament by example.

Naaaah. It's so much more fun shouting "We're Number One", and "USA, USA!"
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:38 AM
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16. What should Iran do about our Nuclear stockpile?
Same idea.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:41 AM
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17. Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Weapons in Vast Amounts
More WMD than any Country on the Planet.

The only Country to ever use Atomic weapons during a War

So what is the rest of the World going to do about America a rogue

nation using it's Armed Forces to pillaging the resources of the Planet headed by an unstable leader.

Iran should be welcomed to the Nuclear club just like Pakistan and India

and all other nations with "the bomb"

Bush and his "we have to stop the spread of weapons bullshit is just that, complete and utter fucking Crap.

America is one of the, if not thee biggest Arms supplier on the Planet.

Enough of this hypocritical fucking garbage.
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