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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:37 AM
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MSNBC/Zogby Poll: Kerry 27 Dean 24 Clark 15 Edwards 8
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=788

Pollster John Zogby: Kerry not only jumps into the lead, but today his lead was commanding. His lead in today’s sample alone was 32%-21%. Remember, we still have one-third of the sample taken before the Iowa caucus. Also remember that Kerry is known in New Hampshire.

“Dean still has a handsome lead among 18-29 year-olds – the World Wrestling Federation Generation. His Iowa speech had no negative impact on young voters at all in New Hampshire. Aside from young voters, Kerry is either tied or leads among pretty much everyone else.

“Clark continues to lose a point a day. Edwards does not seem to have gotten a big bounce, at least not yet.

“I operate from a 48 – Hour Rule: it normally takes two full days before we see a major impact from any event.”
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:41 AM
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1. Kerry is hurting Clark and picking up undecideds
Dean is statistically the same as the last poll.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:47 AM
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2. Me thinks the tiger's showing his stripes...Zogby's committed the sin...
...unpardonable... of showing bias against his polling target Howard Dean with this little gem:

Dean still has a handsome lead among 18-29 year-olds – the World Wrestling Federation Generation. His Iowa speech had no negative impact on young voters at all in New Hampshire.
<snip>

He trivializes Dean's youthful support with a wrongheaded attempt to portray them as WWF fans.

Zogby!...Get thee to a WWF match before you run your mouth! The fans are 40ish, white and nominally educated...more like the Kerry demographic.
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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:50 AM
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3. it's not called that anymore
It's WWE. :p
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:57 AM
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21. "The fans are 40ish, white and nominally educated"
Ahem.
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:00 AM
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7. As a Kerry supporters I know how u feel
Zogby said in August that Dean's 21 point lead in NH showed that he may already "have his tickets to Boston"

Sorry man, but that's politics.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:11 AM
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14. The WWF generation LOL
What does that make Kerry supporters? The "Steel Magnolias" generation?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:50 AM
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4. Kerry has benefitted not only..
from his victory, but also from staying under the radar. The media is still focused on the Dean "gaffe" and now on Clark's junior officer comment.
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Frederic Bastiat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:53 AM
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5. The big news here is:
Dean has lost his frontrunner status. I guess we do need primaries after all.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:55 AM
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6. i STILL hate these polls
all of them. and i am always suspicious of them.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:04 AM
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9. .
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 08:06 AM by Flagg
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:04 AM
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10. I hope it'll be Kerry because he looks French

according to some people
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:11 AM
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15. nothing wrong with french
kerry can speak french also.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:55 AM
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19. But Rush is a liar. So Kerry can't look French.
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aaraujo Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:04 AM
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8. Kerry - Edwards 2004 ticket
Kerry - Edwards versus Bush - Cheney?

How could it lose?

The New England statesman and the Southern optimist.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:13 AM
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17. It could lose because the both voted in SUPPORT of
a whole bunch of Bush's policies. How do you give a decent opposition to someone when you supported what they did? That's totally impotent. Good luck!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:56 AM
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20. Wrong. Kerry was attacking Bush plenty but the media wouldn't show it.
Kerry's points were too substantive and damaging to Bush and to them. Dean's were entertaining.

June 2, 2003

Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"
Commission decision may violate laws protecting small businesses; Kerry to file Resolution of Disapproval

Washington, DC - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.

Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:
"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy." 
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 12:43 PM
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22. Hi aaraujo!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:07 AM
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11. Not unexpected but
just as the Internet has changed political campaigns, not just in terms of fundraising, so has it affected polling, though the pollsters themselves will be the last to admit it. I doubt they will be the last to recognise it, though.

The Internet has skewed the polls by making huge amounts of informatino available to anyone with a computer and a connection. There will still be numbers of "ordinary" people who can be relied on to more or less tell the truth in a poll, but does anyone think a poll of a DUer or a Freeper is going to produce an honest result?

Someone is reading those millions of blogs, and lots of those blogs have political slants or at least personal opinions on political issues and candidates. Before the primaries are over I suspect that the essential irrelevence of polls will become more and more clear.

And won't that be a shame?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:08 AM
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12. It's all about the debate, tonight nt
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:08 AM
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13. We haven't heard from Clark in a while
just wait til New Hampshire when voters can see and hear him again. He'll start climbing then.
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:11 AM
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16. Zogby points out that in last nights sample...
Kery was 32% Dean was 21% which shows Kerry is rising fast while Dean drops like a rock. I hope this continues until Monday. If Kerry wins ina landslide than all bets are off for Fe. 3rd.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:46 AM
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18. this is to be expected after his Iowa victory
and the continued media lambasting of Dean. Dean can still come back with a strong debate performance. Time will tell.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 12:57 PM
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23. None of the debates so far have had much effect on the polls.
Why would this one be different?
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