have I missed something - did the rigged voting machines get fixed?

posters every day talk about who to put up for prez next time.

if the voting machines are the same, what's the point of voting?

if the election supervisors are still members of the bushgang, why bother voting?

if all of the other voting crap the bushgang does will continue, why bother voting?

have I missed something? has something changed regarding voting?

eom

running one of their own for office.

I'm sorry to say, my liberal & Democratic friends hardly paid any attention to BBV in November & December. By now, it's not even a blip on their radar. WTF do they think is going to happen in '08? A frickin' miracle? Cuz that's what's it gonna take if they don't wake up & rock the boat.

http://www.evilgopbastards.com/

snip...

But for now, for liberals, it's all about the 2008 elections. There weren't even any 2004 elections and when 2008 rolls around, there ain't gonna be no 2008 elections. Just the ritual illusion of one. Liberals still have not figured that out. They woke up after the train was gone and now stand at the wrong station waiting for the next one, which will never arrive. They continue to "work within the system." They are going to beat a system rigged against them, and this is how they plan to do it: by getting out all those untapped liberal voters who are supposed to be out there waiting to make a difference! Wow! I hope they are right, I really do. Because what I see here in the heartland is a helluva lot more angry conservatives left to be registered. Scads of 'em.
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on edit: It will be the most successful covert operation in the history of the USA -- the theft of democracy right out from under the noses of the people.

for people to come to terms with something like this and admit what happened.

If democratic voters and activists admit that the elections were stolen, then they have to admit that they are victims, that they are pawns, that they are powerless to do anything about the hijacking of the government. They want to think it's still possible to work within the system because it's too scary to think otherwise. Only natural.

I think we who have faced the truth of what's going on --we have to just keep saying it, keep coralling the evidence, keep on educating others as best we can, keep the issues on the front burner, get the message out. Slowly more people will wake up to the fact that without election reform, all their work campaigning for candidates will be wasted effort. Those who are working specifically on election reform need to be supported and certainly not criticized. Maybe we still have a chance to be heard within the system. That remains to be seen, but there is evidence that progress is being made. I hope we libs/progressives will not be stupid enough to let this happen a fourth time...the time to act is now.

Bush beat us without even trying.
A lot of people were very disillusioned by
the Kerry loss. Like me. They will not work so hard again for
the Democratic candidate unles they KNOW their vote will count.

been?

nt

enough of insidious 08 threads


is this a politactic

to 'cement' the unknowable developements of the future

to 'cement' the so-called fact that we have to be hostage to bush '4'...4more years?

one should not assume he can last or be put up with '4' 4more months

IF WE DO NOT GET HAND COUNTING, (SHUT UP WHO CARES HOW LONG IT TAKES
hell with OldMedia and the unnecessary artificial deadlines)

and citizen verified paper ballots

if we do not achieve this

WE NEED TO HAVA PEOPLE'S rEFERENDUM TO CANCEL ANY ELECTIONS

beCUZ they do not meet WorldWide standards and are

hence,....INvalid

there is even a thread asking to not post these anymo
somebody else keyed me into what they termed "sounds like rovian talking points"...strategy...oganized....orcastrated....smear 'targeting'...campaign...OPs....possible Rfelds...extra-parlimentary office of specialplans (/whatever) created, and i think 'supposedly' disbanded in the pentagram, i mean gone.



face the Muse--ic

has any...body here...
SEEN MY OLE' FRIEND BOBBY?

can you tell me ,,,where...he's ..gone???

Any state with a Dem majority or Governor that isn't pushing for this kind of election reform has their priorities in the wrong place.

This should be the numer one issue for Democrats.

We've all been wondering what bushco was distracting us from with their doomed Social Security plan, and maybe even with the Guckert/ Gannon thing.

Maybe election reform is it.

I don't join in on those threads. The only way ti win back the executive is if there's a major catastrophe like an economic collapse, a widely expanded and disasterous war, a Bhopal style environmental disaster or a virulent pandemic.

Bush may well hit the trifecta here- so the presidency isn't a lock, though absent some nationalized campaign against the Republicans (which Democrats- other than Dean- have proven either to stupid or cowardly to do) - Congress probably is. Even in the above event.

just go on with the status quo.

Hey! we could even run Kerry again?

I guess Dukakis is not available.

this has been bothering me too....it's like selective amnesia.

http://www.petitiononline.com/no4etabs/petition.html

And support these folks in Ohio....

http://www.OhioHonestElections.org/

They are fixed! We are working to unfix them. <G>

"Voter Verified Paper Trails" is the keyword in state legislatures these days.

It's a start. Everyone who is anyone needs to be aware of what their state is doing, and, at the very least, tell them you want the voting machines to have some kind of a paper trail.

If you are into election reform a little deeper, you know paper ballots are the best solution, so tell your state that's what you want.

Then, go down to your local election office and ask a few questions about paper ballots and how they are counted. Get informed and become involved on election issues, because who runs won't matter, it's who counts the votes.

i'm serious. What is it, 2/3 of machines are controlled by repuke owned companies? And repukes control the state governments in the most critical states? We can forget about winning the old fashioned way, cuz repukes will *never allow another honest vote count.*

you must have mad skillz to see this glaringly obvious fact that seems to elude so many here. but then, so must i and several others posting here.

basic if/then statement.

if your vote doesn't count, then your candidate doesn't mean a thing.

"but, but, but...." *quivering lower lip* "i have hope! i beLIEVE! i think if we try the same losing tactic again, this time harder and with more blood, sweat, and tears, they'll really listen to us! they'll have to, because we'd have truth, and light, and goodness, and the Care Bears on our side!" *saucer-sized eyes glisten with the beginning of tears*

No, Virginia. There's no more freedom in America. Why? Because no one can hear you scream.