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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:03 AM
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What's a Neocon to do?? The grand PNAC dilemma.
While our administration is "strangely" quiet about the spread of democracy in the Middle East, as Lebanon may end up with a democratic election and Egypt has announced future multi-party elections. The Palestinians voted as well. Free and open elections in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell they're falling like domino's and democracy seems to be on the march. So what's a neocon to do?? What will happen to the PNAC vision and ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force when no force is needed?? How will the neocons grab the natural resources (oil) now??

Yes indeed our administration is "strangely" quiet. It looks like the Middle East is figuring out that democracy isn't a threat to their dictatorships, monarchies, and theocracies after all. Fortunately for them, Bush has demonstrated two elections in a row, that voting isn't a threat to power when you control the counting of those votes. It won't take them long to pick up the other political tricks of voter suppression, felon lists, and character assassination and distortion campaigns via political ads, mass mailings, and phone banks.

Of course Iran and Syria have to get on board the freedom train to further frustrate the grand PNAC vision. Do we have their email addies?

What's a pre-emptive striker to do?? Looks like we need another Pearl Harbor, another 9/11, and a Congress too blind and too irresponsible to oppose war.



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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:17 AM
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1. Like the democratization of Latin America
it happened without the support of the United States. Brazil, Argentina and Chile, three of the most brutal dictatorships in the '70s and '80s are probably more democratic than we are now. This was in SPITE of US support for their repressive regimes.
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:19 AM
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2. Is that why Chavez is so worried?
Who knows?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:25 AM
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5. Chavez is worried, because his government is too
"democratic" for the US. He is working to improve the lives of the poor and middle class and is no friend to the big corporations. So the Bush dictatorship is his natural enemy...
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:06 PM
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10. I think what I meant was that they would have to come up with a new excuse
if the democracy thing became old hat, and maybe they would try to apply it to Venezuela. At this point, though, I'm actually not sure what I meant. LOL
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:20 AM
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3. It would be great if suddenly there were no believable
excuses for slaughtering populations and stealing natural resources! Of course the Bush-bots would claim that they were the ones who caused this much ballyhooed "march of freedom", but who cares! At least now everyone will see that "democracies" can be just as violent and vicious to their neighbors as "tyrannies" can be. The type of government doesn't wage war or support "terrorists" and undermine its neighbors, the nation does, the people of that nation does. When the US invaded and conquered Mexico and stoled half of the country in the 1840s, the US was a "democracy". Most of the modern national empires were of countries with some form of "democratic" governments. The proposition that Bush puts out, that "democracies" are peaceful is complete bullshit. And everyone is going to get a chance to see this bullshit for what it is...
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:24 AM
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4. For me, there never were any believable excuses
They came up with so many reasons to invade Iraq that it was obvious they were working overtime to cover up some hidden economic agenda.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:28 AM
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7. Oh, I agree with you 100%!
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 11:28 AM by Dhalgren
But it should get harder and harder for the Bush-bots to swallow the lies once the Emperor starts invading "democracies" because "they hate us for our freedoms"... (Geeze, it makes my skin crawl just to type that phrase - even in jest).
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:25 AM
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6. I think you've hit on something here.
It's so obvious. Personally I'd tone it down a little, but what happens to a pre-emptive striker when there is no one left to pre-empt?

Of course this was an interesting question I always asked about National Socialism. Fascism is an ideology that requires new conquests. If Hitler had succeeded in placing Aryans in their rightful place, exterminating or enslaving everyone else, what then?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:00 PM
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8. Now EVERY country has seen how easy it is to have fake elections
Spreading Ohio-and-Florida-Style Democracy around the globe!


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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:04 PM
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9. So if we say ...
Florida Ohio Election model then we'd have FOE ... Pretty apt acronym!
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