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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:44 AM
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Biden voted NO on the Feingold Amendment
of the Bankruptcy bill which would give senior debtors over 62 a homestead exemption of $75,000. YAYS 40, NAYS 59. What's up with him?
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:48 AM
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1. Isn't a lot of finance based in Delaware?
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 11:49 AM by JHBowden
We have our answer.

JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR. (D-DE)
Contributions by Sector
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/sector.asp?CID=N00001669&cycle=2002
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:49 AM
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4. Wilmington, Delaware..the Credit Card Capital of America...Sellout!!!! eom
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:02 PM
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11. That's the reason.... thanks for enlightening me! (nt)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:02 PM
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12. Sellout? Or representing his constituency?
They vote for him, he should do as THEY want him to do. THAT is his job, not appeasing non-Delaware Democrats.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:15 PM
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14. His constituency is the bankers, not the people?
How many bankers do you think there are, anyway?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:25 PM
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16. His constituency, which includes myself, work for banking/credit card co.
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 12:32 PM by LynneSin
....however, I have to disagree with him. But you're hardpressed to find folks in Wilmington DElaware area who aren't either working for a bank/credit card company or as a male prostitute/fake journalist

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:46 PM
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25. "... or as a male prostitute/fake journalist" -lol -eom
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 02:16 PM
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29. I was wondering if anyone would catch that one
ok so we're the home of Motiva and fake journalist, but I still love my state!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:26 PM
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17. I think Lynne answered quite well enough.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:31 PM
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19. Yeah, I work for THEM!! However, at least I don't work for MBNA
:D
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:35 PM
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21. lol, I respect you for still not wanting Biden to vote for them.
And I respect you even more for understanding why Biden would do it too.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:38 PM
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23. I'm just suprised Carper didn't either
:shrug:

Hey, I need to make a living too!
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 02:20 PM
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30. Corporations don't vote
And those corporations also don't give a DAMN about the residents of Delaware. They've off shored their jobs and preyed on financially vulnerable Americans.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:01 PM
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32. Corporations do vote proxy via Lobbying & Campaign contributions
And believe it or not - not every bank/credit card company in Delaware offshores. And hell, why aren't you giving shit to South Dakota - they house just as many too!!
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:41 PM
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35. I used to work for one of the top financial institutions in the US
I am quite familiar with their lobbying efforts, and how their PAC money bought legislation that was pro-business and anti-consumer. I also experienced first-hand the pressure exerted upon anyone in management to "contribute" to their PAC.

My comment was not aimed at any one state, but rather about the obscene amount of corporate influence upon what is supposed to be government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Shame on ANY Democrat who voted against the Feingold amendment.
Pretty sad when corporate profits trump protecting the elderly against losing their homes.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:51 PM
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37. Do you really think that the majority of Delaware residents favor
throwing old people out on the streets so that credit card companies can make even larger profits? I'd think the people of Delaware are a little more compassionate than that. Especially if they knew that the largest cause of bankruptcy is medical expenses.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:57 PM
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39. I think they're in favor of keeping their jobs.
And I think, as Senator, Biden is in favor of helping them keep their jobs.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 04:07 PM
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40. And throwing old people out on the streets
is the key to them keeping their jobs? Do you really believe that?

Last time I checked the credit card industry was making record profits, more than $30 billion last year.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/etc/synopsis.html
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 04:34 PM
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42. Hey, I don't like the vote either.
But I can at least understand why he did it. If you took a poll of Delaware, which he probably did, they more than likely are in favor of the bill. Since he is the Senator of Delaware, he voted for it. If you can't get that, you need to take a class in basic politics.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 04:55 PM
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44. First, we're talking about an amendment that would protect the elderly
from losing their homes. Second, check out the $600,000 plus in political contributions that Biden took from the financial services sector. Do you really believe that political donations don't influence politicians' votes? And you ask if I'VE taken any courses in poli sci?

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/sector.asp?CID=N00001669&cycle=2002


BTW, I'd LOVE to see a poll that supports your premise that the people of Delaware favor throwing old people out on the street like they're a piece of trash. Any links on that one? I'm waiting.....

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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:51 AM
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6. Doesn't his son also work for MBNA?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:56 AM
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8. BINGO!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:48 AM
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2. Biden is one of 3 Dem Senators who voted the bill out of finance committee
Biden of Delaware will support the Rethugs bill. The other two were Feinstein and Kohl.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:27 PM
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45. Biden lost both primary support and public trust with those votes
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:49 AM
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3. Who else did? I only heard Republicans voting No and Dems
voting Yes.

I also saw this last night on the Judicial filibusters - "Last July, 53 senators -- seven short of the necessary 60 -- voted to end a filibuster and let Myers's confirmation come to a roll call. The only incumbent Democrats who voted to end debate were Sens. Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.). With Republicans now holding 55 seats, they need five Democratic supporters to end such a filibuster this year. Biden said yesterday, "My inclination is to vote the way I did last year" on Myers, and Democratic leaders say they assume Nelson will do the same. "




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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:50 AM
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5. What's up with Biden: he's the lapdog of the credit card companies
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:53 AM
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7. Biden is a bastard. Two faced SOB. I would rather see a repub
asshole in there who would vote the same way as he does, except that they wouldn't disgrace the dems.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:29 PM
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18. Stay the hell out of my state when it comes to who should be our senator
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 12:31 PM by LynneSin
How about we allow right-wing repukes be your senator in your state? Personally, as flawed as Biden is (and I could list a bunch) I also know he's a strong fighter when it comes to fighting against these right-wing judicial nominations and he's got a strong environmental record. Plus Biden has been a great advocate for choice!


Biden represents Delaware. If I'm correct, your bio says you're from California - why aren't you demanding a right-wing repuke replace Dianne Feinstein? Until your voter registration card says "Delaware" I suggest you worry about who should be senators in your state

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:34 PM
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20. A great environmental record?
Can there be a state more polluted than Delaware?

The boy has been there too long- far too long and he is comfortable with his corporate whoremongering-and damn straight the rest of the country has a right to protest when he bows and scrapes at his master's feet at the expense of everyone else.

You don't really think he does what he does....for you, do you?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:37 PM
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22. Yeah, but that's the state government's fault on the environment
And personally, I don't think there is one person in DC who was elected to their position and really does what he/she is suppose to be doing for us. Come on,you're kidding me to think that Biden isn't the only person? Just go to Opensecrets.org and every polition in DC has been bought and paid for by someone, except maybe Jon Corzine (he paid for it all himself).

Taking into consideration that all politicians are pretty much crooks, I'd rather have Biden as my crook than some right-wing rabid anti-choice idiot as my senator any choice of the day.

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:42 PM
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24. I thought the point was he was representing his state
But now it is a state government problem...


Instead you choose to slide by it all by dismissing them all as corrupt and at least he isn't some rabid Right-winger..That's setting the bar a little low, don't you think?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:14 PM
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27. Um, don't think so, don't even think about getting away with this one
US Senators & Representatives are elected to represent our best interest in the day-to-day legislation that happens in Washington DC on a federal level. Bills that are passed in DC usually represents the country as a whole (although yes, there my be some discriminate spending that is geared towards states both real & pork).

Let's take Motiva for example, an environmental disaster that has gone horribly wrong in Delaware. How could you blame Biden for Motiva unless your blame is the fact that Joe hasn't done anything on a federal level to reprimand those who are behind Motiva? Motiva was clearly a fault of the state government (which btw - was democrat) and the only US Senator I could feasibly blame would probably be Carper since he at one time was the governor although right before the accident.

If Biden and the other US Senators were to be fixing all the problems down to a statewide level, then why the hell are we paying all these tax dollars to have a state government? They may intercede in the way of getting more tax dollars to help resolve an issue, but in general it would be the state to make the final resolution.

HOwever, if you want to rate Biden & Carper environmentally, you only need to check the League of Conservation Voters who have given Biden a 92% and Carper an 88%. http://www.capwiz.com/lcv/dbq/vote_info/?command=results&chamber=S&sort=Last&session=108&submit.x=11&submit.y=8

Not bad when you consider that the more liberal senators like Kennedy, Feingold, Clinton & Boxer also all have 92% (I think Leahy & Cantwell were the only 100% senators)

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:25 PM
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28. Okay,
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 01:25 PM by CWebster
if he voted for big industries in his state who were big polluters, wouldn't that be representing his state?

Your argument was he should get a pass because he was just representing his constituents, right?

Wouldn't it be the same then--if you were employed by a big corporate polluter--you would still suffer the consequences of the pollution even though your senator might be defending the policies of your employer.

You might be employed by credit companies, but Biden votes for their policies which may injure you. despite your employment.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 02:59 PM
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31. But in this world of elected officials there is only 1 person with my...
..political ideologies and that is me. Everyone else is a compromise. From there I have to pick and choose who will best represent me and sometimes who is the lesser of 2 evils. Biden is a very flawed politicians, but you're talking to a girl who lived with Rick Santorum as her senator for 6 years. That, my friend almost makes Biden a breath of fresh air!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 04:38 PM
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43. Speaking of which...
The person you're speaking with is not the first I've seen on DU that expects every elected official to completely and totally agree with all of their personal beliefs, and yet I see so few of them making the effort to run for office themselves. They seem to think their beliefs are so far superior, and yet I don't see them offering themselves as an option to the voting populace.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:00 PM
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9. damn Senators... representing their state instead of towing the party line
their constituants should be furious!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:04 PM
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13. Who'd a thunk that a Senator's job is to represent his state?!
I thought their main function was to serve the Democratic party!

Silly me!
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:56 PM
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26. If you call representing a corporation representing their state, that is.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:01 PM
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10. want to let Biden know how you feel?
Here is his Washington office info.
Biden, Joseph - (D - DE) 		
201 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510	
(202) 224-5042	
E-mail: senator@biden.senate.gov
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:06 PM
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33. TY I think he needs to hear from all of us!
Was he elected to protect the credit companies or the American people? He needs to answer that question and show how his vote validates the right answer.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:17 PM
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15. That'll keep the money flowing from the lobbyists.
This is a democracy, in which politicians represent the interests of "the people". Bwahaahaaaahaaa!!!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:40 PM
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34. Perhaps he is just following Jim Jefford's lead?
:shrug:
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:44 PM
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36. Biden is a moneywhore. He sold himself to the credit card mafia...
..MBNA, CAPITAL ONE, etc.....

:argh:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:52 PM
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38. Biden's a split personality
Half Dem, half thug.

Julie
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 04:07 PM
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41. He's Biden. Neoliberal. Duh.
He just sounds smooth, but in reality he could care fuck-all about The Little Guy (be they American or Iraqi).

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