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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:28 PM
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College Republicans becoming very visible and aggressive on our
campus. Today they were marching in formation carrying signs touting Bush's Social Security "Plan." One said, "My future, my decision." A very short distance away, a man was standing on a retaining wall preaching, while other students carried signs declaring "There is only one God and he is Vengeful" and "Christ is the only way to salvation."

I have to admit it was a little un-nerving, which I'm sure is what it was meant to be.
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:30 PM
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1. start handing them enlistment forms.
If they support the "president", they can help out with a little shortage we seem to be having.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:37 PM
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8. If that happened at my school
I'd go and ask them why weren't they serving the president in Iraq? Why are they here and not enlisted in the army? Don't they think there's "terrorist" in Iraq they should be defeating? Why do they hate Amerika?
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:47 AM
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48. enlistment forms
I would suspect that most of the ROTC students tend toward consertive politics.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:30 PM
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2. Maybe somebody needs to hand them enlistment forms
Or then again, I guess it's "their future, their decision".
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:32 PM
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3. Dang
My old college had folks handing out Bibles. Students gave them such a time, they stopped doing it. At the time, Young Republicians only had 1 member and a professor asked us to join in poli sci once. She got heckled.

Best thing to do is nod your head and get an education which those fools weren't doing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:38 PM
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11. One term
there were men passing out Bible's too. I polietly said "no thanks" (have enough Bibles and stuff) and they didn't bug me thankfully. This one girl was also passing out flyers for people to come to her church. She asked me and I told her I was busy (going to my own church).
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:42 PM
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16. Jesus
I was sitting on campus (I'm not even a student) and sitting in the shade, reading a book...and this group comes up to me..."We're the Christians On Campus, may we pray for you?"

I looked up and asked, "Why? Do I look like I NEED to be prayed for? Exactly what about me makes me appear to need YOU to pray for ME? And just by the way, has anyone ever told you before that your group's acronym would be COC?? (pronounce "cock")

They walked away.

Sometimes, you just have to be offensive to offensive people, you know it?

But I like the idea of enlistment forms, too. I think I'll try that. Next time one of these moron Repukes gets in my face with his bullshit Bible literature and Republican literature, I'm gonna give him an enlistment form. See how much he REALLY supports the Pretzeldent!!

What a bunch of brainwashed zombie assholes! Dunno whether to pity them or despise them.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:32 PM
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4. That's why the Lord invented these:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:32 PM
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5. Which college are you at?
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:05 PM
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25. ASU - It seemed very strange to me.
They have been stepping up their efforts lately and I haven't seen the Young Dems once this semester. (I'm an old Dem.) Last semester we had those bald-headed, orange robe wearing people. I can't remember their name now. There were two of them passing out brochures. Nobody ever paid any attention to them. But, they were quiet, they'd offer the brochure, you could do a little headshake and they'd turn to somebody else.

We have the Catholic Newmans out sometimes and the Pro-choice people, and the hiking club, etc., etc. Everyone offers their literature, etc. but nobody marches in formation, chanting like god-damned Nazis, nor do they usually preach hell-fire and damnation. I believe they have every right to do this, but I just get the feeling they are becoming overly bold and aggressive. It makes me nervous.

I like the military brochure idea. I actually thought of that the other day when this young Republican was standing out in front of his table barking like a carney at the passers-by. I wished I had had one. I'm going to get some for the next time.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:27 PM
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27. At the U of Montana we had some Christian evangelical anti choice
group a few semestres back that were screaming at people and a crowd of students collected and started screaming back. It was surreal.

ASU is AZ State or....?

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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:34 AM
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42. Arizona State University. We're usually a pretty apathetic people,
but it appears one side is trying to turn that in their favor. We're going to have to start pushing back.
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:32 PM
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6. what college is this??? Is this normal behavior on campus?
Something sounds askew here...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:39 PM
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12. I haven't seen
any protesting at my college. I go to a local community school. I still see quite a few Kerry stickers so I don't think if it happened at my school republicans wouldn't have a counter reaction from the other side. :) Of course they're welcome to protest, but so are we.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:34 PM
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7. Looks Bush Is Rolling Out The Brown Shirt Brigades Early
Better buy that AK-47 while you still have the chance.

http://www.globaltrades.com/ssr-56.html

Very soon, it may be the only defense you have left!
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:08 AM
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38. Yep...
Or a Yugo SKS if you're really on a budget, like me. http://www.impactguns.com/store/yugoslavian.html

I've got one of the unissued ones and it was a gem, but I was fortunate enough to get it NIB from a Chattanooga FFL for $175, tax and all.
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murphymom Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:37 PM
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9. Well, I hope they get along really well
with their parents, because they'll be supporting them in their old age if Bush gets his way with Social Security.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:37 PM
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10. I'm a Christian and that makes my teeth itch
We had some strange people preaching on our campus, but sometimes even the Campus Crusade for Christ agreed that some of them were off the wall.

Preaching vengence seems anti-Christlike somehow. Sooo, are they saying that God will smite us if Social Security isn't reformed? Oye.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:39 PM
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14. I guess they're
like Bush and talk to God too?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:46 PM
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17. Normally,
if someone admits to hearing voices, the psychiatrists will put them on medication. For some reason if the person claims it's God (the voices), they don't get called schizophrenic. And they get to push their "message" of a hateful God off on some poor unsuspecting peaceful nice person who doesn't deserve such hate. For shame for shame. There oughta be a law and some meds for them and they should be forced to take them until they get their heads on straight.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:29 PM
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28. I have no problem with people who talk to god, it's the people
who hear god talking back to them who make me nervous.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:39 PM
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13. Sounds like the Hitler Youth.
I'll bet it's pretty creepy and kind of scary. It makes you wonder how far that sort of thing is going to go.

I'm not seeing anything like that at the community college that I'm at, but I guess that's kind of a different situation.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:56 PM
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20. I am very concerned. This reminds me of the goosestepping in...
Germany in the 30's.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:04 PM
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30. Ditto here
If they want to start pushing that around where I'm at I might have to do something, maybe I'll go to the nearest recruiting office and pick up a stack of forms to hand out ;).
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:26 PM
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33. Yes, I agree with this
The little pukes I see are seriously programmed.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:41 PM
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15. That's the way they are here minus the signs.
There is nothing here for them to protest except my views. I get about 15 of them ganged up on me if I speak my mind on anything. It's hideous. They are such bullies.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:51 PM
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18. Hitler screamed: God is with us.
I wonder if I will need to buy an AK47?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:56 PM
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21. I know some
pro Bush hunters who could let you borrow theirs, if neither of us tells them we'd use them to protect ourselves from them... I seriously heard a hunter say he only cared about the 2nd amendment and he thought Ak's oughtta be legal and easy to buy for hunting purposes. I can just hear it. Bite chomp chomp chomp, crack, <tooth falls out of mouth along with AK ammo>. ???
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:51 AM
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49. AK ammo
Am an avid hunter. The 7.63 x 39 AK ammo is at best a marginal hunting round. Prefer 30-06 or Winchester 308.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:56 PM
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22. SS belt buckle engraving
"Gott mit uns"
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:53 AM
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50. Belt Buckle
Believe the Wehrmacht belt buckle was engraved with Gott Mit Uns.
The SS belt buckle had the SS rune symbol.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:50 AM
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44. Yep
Sad. :( And of course they don't think of themselves as bullies but us. :eyes: Thanks to the lovely Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter....
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woosh Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:52 PM
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19. private organizations have dumped
a ton of money into campus conservative groups.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:57 PM
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23. In Houston Chronicle today
there was a story about young repubs at UT that were supposed to be organizing an illegal immigrant hunt. It was going to be a mock thing where students dressed as illegals were going to be hunted down. The demonstrators showed up but not the the little nazis. They changed their minds at the last minute. They did do it on the U. of North Texas campus however. It is all very disturbing.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:55 AM
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51. That is very disturbing.
:scared:

That is very extreme.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:19 AM
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54. very sickening
you can bet the little bastards participating in this kind of shit have been handed EVERYTHING to them in their entire miserable lives
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:01 PM
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24. My future, my decision?
Sounds like they're supporting abortion.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:06 PM
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26. Were they wearing brown shirts?
Fucking Nazi Youth ...... :eyes:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:39 PM
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29. How disgusting! What's happening to our country?
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:07 PM
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31. May the Gods have mercy on us
For it seems that our enemies will show us none.

These are the times that heroes are made.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:11 PM
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32. They want to intimidate us and shut down the marketplace of ideas
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 11:25 PM by DianeG5385
If it's not their way, it's propaganda. We must insist that colleges and universities contain a multitude of opinions, thoughts and debates. These guys are getting awfully aggressive. Just so you know, I live in Rohnert Park, CA, a stone's throw from SRJC, which is, by the way way, rated as one of the best JCs in the US. Think on that. Why pick SRJC in little Santa Rosa CA? You have your answer. They are seriously intimidating the poor profs and it makes me sick to my stomach. They need support. As an aside, Rancho Cotate High School in Rohnert Park has a particularly virulent Republican high school group. My son, laughs at them but I told him they are dangerous!!!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:29 PM
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34. I think they've set their sites on academia
as the last bastion of "liberal", ie independent thought. They control everything else, the presidency, the legislature, the judiciary, and the media. Acedemia is the last frontier for them. I don't think they can tolerate the existence of any social institution that isn't under their control. They are very totalitarian in their attitudes.

Their having a huge witch hunt here in Colorado over that Ward Churchill business. I know they're really going after academic freedom at the university here, with Churchill the focal point for their campaign.

I'm fortunately not feeling it at the little community college that I'm attending, but that doesn't mean that I won't later on.

That's really alarming that it's getting into the high schools now.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:37 PM
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35. I just had a little conversation with my son about
liberal perspective at RCHS he says they used to have a liberal group but not this year. The Repuke club is running rampant and all those kids who disagree with them make fun of them. I told him that's the wrong way to deal with these folks. I said, talk to the bravest liberal you know and change the name to the democratic progressives (as opposed to the repuke regressives) and invoke the name of Howard Dean. He was sleepy, and said, yeah uh, sure mom, like I'm going to do that... You get it? They are getting the most indoctrinated idiots to intimidate the kids who only care about school and prom and sports not sticking out from the crowd and cowing them!!!! This is scary nonsense!!! How do we beat it!!!!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:45 PM
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36. Maybe liberals need to start funding
student groups the same way that wingers do. We're at an extreme disadvantage in that they are highly funded and centrally organized, and liberal groups are just sort of ad hoc and on their own.

I really think we need to study and learn from the tactics of our opponents and emulate some of them. Not the brown shirt kind of stuff, but some of the funding and organizing tactics.

I hope you can get your son to actively stand up for liberal principles at his school.

What are the teachers like? Are they being intimidated by RW students, or are they RW themselves? I'd be curious to know what, and how, they're teaching.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:14 AM
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39. I'll tell you a little story that breaks my heart
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 12:14 AM by DianeG5385
He had the most fabulous 8th grade teacher. He was the classical liberal arts college professor and pushed these kids to think for themselves. To get into his class, parents had to commit to at a minimum, a field trip a month. The first field trip was a week in Ashland, Oregon, attending the end of the Shakespeare festival. It was magical. My son and his friends were transformed. I just don't have the time to go in to detail now, suffice it to say, his teacher's goal was to make Shakespeare's plays relevant to what was happening within the context of 20th century history. I think he gave these kids a gift.

He was shut down and this year teaches only math. Those silly test scores don't you know. The parents of the kids who clamored to be in his class turned on him when it became all about the "test" and not about actually learning stuff. That's what they are doing to our best teachers. Wonder why we have such a crappy system now? Look to the right wing whackazoids and I say that with absolutely NO respect.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:55 AM
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45. It's really sad and depressing
I love Shakespeare. :( It's really sad how now days the parents of the right (the pro-Bush's that is) don't want people to think and learn about history, other cultures, etc. I'd rather have knowledge about things then worry about finishing the term and getting high test scores.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:42 AM
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47. I saw another thread where they put red stars on professors' doors and
another thread about them trying to pass laws that keep the instructors from expressing their liberal views. This becomes less and less my country everyday. Is this what my ancestors fought for? Is this what I spent nine years in the Army for? Is this what my husband spent 20 years in the Army for? Is this why my son and daughter-in-law have been serving in and bringing "democracy" to Iraq and Afghanistan for? I don't think so. This has to stop and it has to stop now while it's still a "free" country.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:45 PM
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37. Start hanging up these flyers around campus:
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 11:54 PM by NormaR
see them at www.bigpath.net
(especially the flyers on the draft)

or you can get some great aWol stickers at:

http://www.awolbush.com/

or these - great positive Dem message: http://www.oliverwillis.com/branddemocrat/

PLASTER THESE ALL OVER CAMPUS - it will show a presence and
it will show resistence
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:30 AM
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41. Perfect. I'm going to take the high road with Obama. Thanks! nt
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:46 AM
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43. go get 'em!
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:24 AM
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40. Find where they parked their cars
edit
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:56 AM
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46. Sunday mornings, 6-8 am is a great time to post flyers on a college campus
everyone is sleeping it off

I've made it through hundreds of flyers on car windshields at a campus near me with not a soul in site.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:58 AM
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52. I'll bet they won't get the results they seek via their aggression.
I'll bet they are actually hurting Bush more than they are helping him.

Are they being inciteful?
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:30 AM
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55. No, not really. They were just marching in formation, chanting and
carrying their signs. Which they have every right to do. I think the marching in formation is what bothered me the most. I'm ex-military and one of the main goals to learning to march in formation is to learn to follow orders instinctively. The other goal is to get a large mass of people from one area to another in an organized, impressive and intimidating fashion. There weren't that many of them, 15, maybe. It's the lockstep mentality that worries me, and the "vengeful" God thing. Even though the two groups didn't appear to be related, the juxtaposition was eerie.
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:09 AM
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53. I don't know about you....
But I'm aboul fed up with people, and government trying to shove Christianity down my throat. I am NOT Christian, and I have a RIGHT not to be. I also have the right to not be harrassed or demonized because I am not a Christian. Unfortunately, it's the common practice of those out on crusade to be belligerantly religious. Ignoring outright any dissenting opinions, and demonizing those who don't assimilate to thier beliefs. I treat them no differently than I would treat military recruiter who gets in my face and calls me unpatriotic because I refused to enlist. It is essentially unwanted solicitation, and when the solicitor refuses to accept the denial of thier pitch, and they persist or become abusive in thier tone and manner, it is simply harrasment. Which in fact, is a crime.

How I deal with the more persistent of the bunch... well, for example, a couple years ago, I was coming off the transit on my way to work. A group of college age folks were gathered at the top of the escalator between the escalator and the exit. Buzzing about handing out pamphlets and talking with people as they left. As I stepped off the escalator one young man walked up to me with a pamphlet in hand, outstretched in my direction. I politely said "No Thanks" to him and went to walk around him. This little prick physically moved and tried to block my way to the exit, insisting that I at least take the pamphlet. I said, "Look, I'm not a Christian and am not going to take your pamphlet. Now please move, I'm running late for work." Hearing this blasphemy, several of his associates decided to join in and began a verbal assault. Many things were said, none of which we're positive statements. So I grabbed my camera phone and started taking pictures of the kids in the group. I "faked" a call to my work and said that I was going to be late because I had to go to the police station to report some kids at the train station harrassing people, myself included, and was going to go and press charges of harrasment, for thier unwarranted verbal assault, and kidnapping for thier attemp to phisically restrain me from leaving by blocking the exits. I stormed past them and walked out of the station. Before I even made it across the street, the kids had packed up thier stuff and left the station. I really didn't want to have to resort to it, but the manner in which they were doing things was totally inappropriate. Someone had to show them that harrasment is illegal, even if your trying to sell God.
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