Great rant from KoS -- includes Dem bankruptcy bill votes.

Not for the ligually timid, this KoS diary posted this morning soared deservedly up the ratings.

"The Republican Senators's Summary Rejection of every single amendment to S. 256 proposed by any Democratic Senators; the breadth of the Republican Senators's corrupt, heartless, punitive - and unabashedly corporate cocksucking gestures, in the form of the refusal to temper this appalling "Bankruptcy Reform Bill" with ANY ameliorative amendments for the elderly, the infirm OR our beloved troooooops, past or present."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/4/9176/09929

:hi:

Biden lost my support already, and he has not even announced. I called his office to say so...she knew what I meant and had other calls waiting.

There is no excuse.

fuck the average person over hard! I may have to stop coming to these boards for a while. I'm going to give myself a heart attack.

Now...where did I put that application for Canadian Immigration....

Olaf

you can receive debt forgiveness for volunteering for military service?

Olaf

"Debate about the bill continued Thursday, with the Republican-controlled Senate refusing to limit consumer interest rates to 30%. The vote was a bipartisan 74 to 24 to kill a proposed amendment by Sen. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.). Senate passage of the bill is expected next week."

They are making it a "bipartisan" screw over of the public.

Take your shit elsewhere. Unbelievable.

by fellow Dems to make it less ruthless a bill.

Corzine Amdt. No. 32; To preserve existing bankruptcy protections for
individuals experiencing economic distress as caregivers to ill or disabled
family members.

NAYS: Baucus, Bingaman, Carper, Johnson, Nelson
NOT VOTING: Biden, Inouye

Kennedy Amdt. No. 29; To provide protection for medical debt homeowners

NAYS: Bingaman, Carper, Johnson, Nelson
NOT VOTING: Biden, Inouye

Kennedy Amdt. No. 28.; To exempt debtors whose financial problems were
caused by serious medical problems from means testing.

NAYS: Biden, Carper, Johnson, Nelson
NOT VOTING: Dodd, Inouye

Akaka Amdt. No. 15; To require enhanced disclosure to consumers regarding
the consequences of making only minimum required payments in the repayment
of credit card debt, and for other purposes.

NAYS: Baucus, Biden, Carper, Johnson, Nelson
NOT VOTING: Inouye

Feingold Amdt. No. 17.; To provide a homestead floor for the elderly

NAYS: Biden, Carper, Nelson
NOT VOTING: Inouye

Durbin Amdt. No. 16, As Modified.; To protect servicemembers and veterans
from means testing in bankruptcy, to disallow certain claims by lenders
charging usurious interest rates to servicemembers, and to allow
servicemembers to exempt property based on the law of the State of their
premilitary residence.

NAYS: Baucus, Biden, Byrd, Carper, Johnson, Nelson
NOT VOTING: Dayton, Inouye

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/v...

There is no excuse for this at all. None.

interest rates as well. Digusting!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bankruptcy4mar04,0,7113947.story?coll=la-home-headlines

"screw you who are not rich" bankruptcy bill.

Where is your outrage about that? :grr: :grr: :grr:

I feel like barfing. :puke: The democrats who voted for this have GOT to go. Is there a list of all who did?

And all these amendments were important efforts to mitigate the damage of a bill that was going to pass no matter what. It *could not* be stopped, so many of our good senators such as Kennedy, Durbin and Feingold do their absolute best to mitigate the damage. And what happens? They still get shit on by a poster above as being just as bad as the GOP. Well, on behalf of all people that actually pay attention to what goes on in Congress and refuse to make stupid, myopic generalizations that rationalize the apathy of the idiotic and lazy, I say take your shit elsewhere.

.... to 30%! You don't do the party a bit of good by making excuses for them. Instead, we should hold their feet to the fire and say "you know what, we are spending so much on interest rates that we don't have any cash left to contribute to your campaigns. Maybe you should ask the credit card companies for yet MORE campaign cash."

I will check at some blogs to see if someone has looked them up.

There is no excuse. We have to stop making excuses. Hold their feet to the fire when they do stuff like this.

Unless they've raised it recently. Would it make any sense for the AR Dems to vote for something that would hurt their constituents? Can you imagine how pissed the people would be?

"take your shit elsewhere" is what you said.

If you are referring to the other poster, it is still insulting.

And in the case of the other poster, it was all too present for me to ignore.

The right-wing keeps bringing the "fuck the people" bills,...and I am sick to death of it.

He despises me, but he has to put up with me. What the hell do you mean, where is my outrage? I go after them equally. But they did not get us into Iraq alone, they did not get the huge corporate tax cuts alone, and they did not vote in the Medicare drug bill disaster alone.

Sorry, your words fall on deaf ears. Did you call any congressmen today?

they know about it? A lot of them probably don't follow anything except if it has to do with gay marriage or abortion. :eyes:

.. the rest of us?

You can scream and cry and DEMAND that we support sell out dems, but that isn't going to make it happen. When 17 out of 41 vote AGAINST limiting interest rates to 30% (which is an outrageous rate anyway), then that's a damn good indication that those 17 are bought and sold by credit card companies.

You can ignore that, but you have NO RIGHT to ask anyone else to be that unprincipled.

By your silence concerning the egregiousness of the right-wing and your outrage at a handful of dems, especially on a thread involving a rant against the bankruptcy bill (brought by the right-wing),...it's tough not to interpret your position as a default support of the right-wing, people-hating machine.

Go call your congressmen.

Again--do you hear yourself?

And I will. There is nothing I can do but call and have my say. But will know I tried. I never said Democrats were as bad as Repubs, but you know we did not get in this mess without help from both parties.

Anyone know if he made a statement?

Do you dispute the quote? Sorry, but those are the facts.

Here's the link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bankruptcy4mar04,0,7113947.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Now what have Dems done to stop these predatory practices? Not a damn thing.

... voted against an amendment that would have limited interest rates to 30%, now does it?

No. You cherry pick a single amendment by Dayton, the ONLY one that drew any significant bipartisan opposition, to shit on the Dems on a day they did their level best to mitigate the damage of one of the worst bills passed this year. You don't give a shit about the welfare of the people this bill will screw over, you are just grasping for any blunt object you can bludgeon the Democrats with. You focus on that while you ignore the amendments of Kennedy, Durbin, Feignold, Schumer, and Rockefeller that were rejected on almost exclusively partisan lines. The whole party with the exception of three to five senators stood up for the little guy today, and you just claimed they are as bad as the Republicans? I'll say it again--take this garbage elsewhere.

And I will continue to do so . I will also stand firm on the ones on the apparent 17 who refused to vote to keep the rate from going above 30%.

There is a name for that....greed. It is spelled the same in both parties.

I hate to see it on DU.

You go ahead and stand up for the rights of our own party to screw us. I won't. It is time to be heard. I think you will see more of it on DU.

Your desire to be in a constant state of righteous indignation has apparently overpowered your reason and common sense. Ask Howard Dean if today was a day Democrats sold out their constituency or if today was a day Democrats fought for their constituency. Twelve great amendments that fought to the last for the little guy, and all but one were rejected almost exclusively on party lines. And Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans? Do you hear yourself?

In a private note? Well, you are doing it again.
You are going after me unjustly. You know you are.

I don't give a you know what what Howard Dean would say about this. He has a different role now, I don't.

I will hold each and every Democrat accountable for their vote on every thing. He can't, I will. Sorry, bub.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

No regrets for this one.

I just don't care. And don't throw the good name of Howard Dean in my face when I say something. He has to hush his voice now, I don't. Neither does DFA. Neither should you.

On the Amendment S.Amdt. 31 to S. 256 (Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005)
To limit the amount of interest that can be charged on any extension of credit to 30 percent.
Amendment Rejected (24-74)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r1094csUHk:e166855:

There it is. Now you tell me, why they should vote against it? You can give them a pass on this, but I decline to.

And YOU sir, can take your ABUSIVE comments somewhere else.

Aren't you?

... our job as dems is to oppose them. Unfortunately, we just can't seem to count on our politicians to do that on a consistent basis. And Mr. Gray thinks we should support them anyway. He doesn't say why -- just that we should.

Not this dem, that's for sure.

However, I think the bigger question involves the service member amendment. In all the other bills, we see the usual suspects voting against and Inouye not voting. Fast forward to the service member bill and voila! in addition to the usual suspects we have Byrd voting against and Dayton not voting. Were these additional votes needed to kill the amendment b/c a couple of rethugs wanted to maintain their military cred? These actions do not seem to be in keeping with these two senators perceived politics. But what commonality do these two senator's uniquely share? IIRC, both are serving their last terms.

Chew on that one for awhile...

(Oddly enough Dayton was the sponsor for the bill you're discussing ..was the proposed amendment so unpopular with corporate bigwigs that the ever disposable Dayton was needed to even propose it? Enquiring minds...)

He/she would vote "no." It's that simple. You still refuse to answer why this single amendment whose rejection drew marginal support from our party outweighs the other eleven that were rejected on party lines. Further, answer how Democrats fighting consistently for the little guy in this case and the GOP trampling the efforts makes the two parties exactly the same. Because that makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

for the little guy, as the vote on this amendment shows.

If you won't concede that point, around twenty-four Dems, over half our representation in the Senate, voted for every single one. But Democrats are just as bad as the GOP, right?

:crazy:

"Vote for dems, they won't ALL screw you over like republicans, just 17 of them!

No?

After all, it was the Bush/neoCON administration and their Republican following that brought this "fuck the people" bankruptcy bill.

And that's the point. They aren't. Pretty pathetic when are rallying cry is basically -- Dems, not ALL of them will screw you over like republicans!

and I know some of those folks are ReThugs, praising the tax cuts and "All Hail, Lord Shrub" types.

So, I cleaned up the language a little, forwarded it from one email account to another to look like someone sent it to me - then sent it to - "oops" my Entire List - over 8,500 people - friends, family, and clients with appropriate notes to explain how this would

• just send my small business into the tank,
  
• that the report just came out about close to 95% of personal bankruptcy being due to medical bills when the folks had health insurance
  
• if people got stuck with the interest rates getting jacked up to 30%+, they'd screw me, the little guy who knows they'd try to pay if they could and is less likely to sell their house to get my money where they know the credit card companies and banks certainly would.
  
• how MBNA was pushing for this (largest ReThug donor)
  
• also a note to my mom & dad that if they couldn't afford their medication, they could lose their house and everything, because they stripped out the exemptions
  
• and a note to both my dad & brothers (veterans all) about them stripping out the protections for "our troops"
  
• and finally a note that if they were going to screw us all over so badly in favor of the banks/credit card campaign donors - no wonder the stock brokers and other groups were all were going to spend millions of $$$ on commercials to convince us to break up Social Security
  

Then I waited about an hour and sent out an "apology" for sending it to everyone when I had meant to send to my family and friends "only".

I've gotten 3 emails back from folks who definately voted for "W", all three were PISSED at what this contained - they had no idea the rules were going to change so drastically or hurt so many people in favor of the credit card companies- I invited them to call their CongressCritters and provided them with names, emails and phone numbers.

I don't normally mix the business and the political, but I felt like it was time to get some of this info out to people who weren't going to hear about it on the nightly news.

has to be a decision, right? Nice fight, though. I must admit that the 17 Dems part makes me pretty sick.

couldn't have said it better myself.