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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:53 AM
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When Bush falls, the dittoheads are going to say he was a liberal.
I see it on other message boards. They are starting to say he's not really a conservative, he's a liberal because he spends so wildly.

I hope Howard Dean can come up with a strategy to fight this!

(going to bed now--nite all)
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:55 AM
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1. DLC Democrats are the same way
They are convinced of the non-falsifiable proposition that their approach is infalliable. If a Democrats wins it's because he was a DLCer. If he loses it's because he was too liberal and DLC enough.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:57 AM
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2. he's not a true conservative
because he's built government up to unprecedented heights and has run up huge deficits. Traditional conservatives don't like that. But he certainly isn't liberal. It's interesting that they are starting to turn on him already.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:19 AM
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10. But to the public
he is. We know he isn't but they think so. But now he's failing of course he isn't. I wonder if any of them would be for impeachments? :shrug:
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:26 AM
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12. no, certainly not the congress
and I wouldn't waste time thinking about it. It's not going to happen.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:17 AM
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14. This may be a good reason to drop the "liberal" label, at least
temporarily.

"Liberal" has gotten the connotation of wild spending even though it isn't what it's about.

Does this mean true conservatives and the neoCons are starting to eat each other? Before the 2006 elections?

Pass the popcorn--and I'll have a diet drink, thanks!
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:01 AM
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3. If Bush falls you mean.
n/t
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:02 AM
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4. When he falls?
Did I miss something? He's had so many scandals that just glanced off his teflon.
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pdurod1 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:06 AM
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5. It's the whiny, texas draw that's starting to sound desperate.
Americans are starting to "wake up." "Read my lips," like father like son is gonna happen.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:11 AM
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6. You got it!
That noose is getting tighter and tighter... American's are beginning to awaken.

And welcome! :hi:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:19 AM
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15. FAKE Texas drawl, btw. You are right though, I've noticed
something in his speech. He's never been a confident speaker, but he really seems to be losing even more of his capacity to speak well.

Stuttering, misstatements, and a definite stress in the voice.

Does anyone else think he KNOWS he's a puppet, finally?
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:12 AM
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7. True conservatives
are more like us than Bush, believe it or not. I can remember when we were all Americans, with slight differences of opinions between R's and D's. The Newt Gingrich/Ronnie Reagan Cult is what really fucked things up. Let's "make sure, guaranteed", that Gingrich WILL NEVER, EVER hold a public office again. It's a sure bet that pimps and pedophiles alike consider Gingrich to be scum.
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pdurod1 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:22 AM
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11. I disagree
I think it's the special interests and corporations that are fucking up the preamble.

The democratic party needs to crash and burn. It's salvagable. I'll support whatever rises out of the ashes --Phoenix.

The republican party, whatever that means is lost in space.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:28 AM
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13. I remember, joe
I remember a time when conservatives simply annoyed me. Now they are truly f***ing with my country, my life, our soldiers, OUR FUTURE. I F***ING DESPISE THEM NOW.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:21 AM
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16. I've been trying to figure out how to put the definite change.
You nailed it, Skittles.

If I use this idea, will you kick my ass?!
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:19 AM
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8. He is neither a liberal nor a conservative, IMO
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:57 AM
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17. Bingo! He is an opportunist.
He runs on greed, nothing more. Even the earning of Deddy Bush's approval takes a back seat to greed in Dumbya's wet little "brain".
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:19 AM
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9. Why am I not surprised?
Go figure. I'm not surprised at all. All us liberals are to blame! Republicans and consveratives don't ever make mistakes. Oooh no! :argh:
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:04 AM
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18. His spending and deficits are quite typical for a republican president.
A comparison of the federal deficits accumulated since 1960 under republican presidents and under democratic presidents shows Bush to be a little above average as a big spender for republican presidents.

The Kennedy/Johnson administrations accumulated deficits of $53.5 billion. The annual deficit never exceeded 3% of GDP.

The Nixon/Ford administrations accumulated deficits of $265.5 billion. The annual deficit exceeded 3% of GDP 2 times.

The Carter administration accumulated deficits of $252.7 billion. The annual deficit never exceeded 3% of GDP.

The Reagan administration accumulated deficits of $1,412.2 billion. The annual deficit exceeded 3% of GDP 7 times.

The Bush the Lesser administration accumulated deficits of $1,035.8 billion. The annual deficit exceeded 3% of GDP 4 times.

The Clinton administration accumulated a surplus of $62.5 billion. The annual deficit never exceeded 3% of GDP.

The Bush the Liar administration has so far accumulated deficits of $947.5 billion and projects additional accumulated deficits during his administration of $1,612.5 billion. The annual deficit has exceeded 3% of GDP 2 times and will once again this fiscal year.

Thus, of the slightly more than $3.9 trillion in accumulated deficits since 1960, more than $3.6 trillion has been accumulated under republican presidents while only about $244 billion has been accumulated under democratic presidents. Of course thess numbers do not take inflation into account, but the differences are similar when constatnt 2000 dollars are used for the comparisons. And of the 15 times since 1960 that the annual deficit has exceeded 3% of GDP, every single time it was under a republican president.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/sheets/hist01z3.xls (Note: The first year of a presidential term operates under the budget and appropriations of the last year of the preceeding presidential term, except for any supplemental appropriation bills passed during such first year. The summary above does not include any such supplemental bills.)




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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:09 AM
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19. He's not a conservative
He's a corporate appeaser. As long as he keeps the corporations happy he can do whatever he wants without fear of backlash or reprisal. Those who continue to benefit from his policies don't give a rat's ass about the deficit.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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