At first, I thought Hillary didn't have a chance in 2008, but....

after seeing her lead the fight to protect Social Security, that could be the issue that puts her in front. It depends on how much credit and recognition she will get from her defense of the SS program. If and when Bush is defeated on this issue, she may be seen as the person that lead his defeat. She has chosen her battle well.

I see SS as the issue that will take back the House and win the Presidency for the Democrats in 2008. The candidate that is at the front of this battle will be at the front of the race for the White House, in my opinion. Hillary has gotten off to a good start. I'm pleasantly surprised.

and i hope that she never ever decides to run for president..i`m to old to move to another country

Is it because all of those right-wing nuts who believe the LIES about her would become more violent? What about her as President would you find so appalling? I think she is extremely arrogant but her heart is in the right place and she is extremely intelligent. Would be nice for a change to have someone in office that has a little depth of knowledge.

She has helped to push the right wing agenda along. So tell me again why she deserves a vote from me?

I'd rather cut of my hand than to vote for her.

Dear Hillary stood up for black panther that tortured fellow member wanting out. He poured boiling water on guy for 3 days before shooting him in the head. Trying to find link. Anyone?

Used to admire her. But after the calls she's been making lately re: Syria and Iraq, just another repube in dem clothing.

think americans will vote for a woman....just my opinion....she nneds to be ready to counter attacks from the repugs....they probably already have the attack machine revving up

I have yet to meet a single Democrat in real life who has indicated that they would vote for her in the Illinois primary; if she can't get Democrats in Illinois to vote for her, she hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination.

She voted for neverending war so I won't vote for her.

for neverending war. I too would prefer a Dem who stood up to the bushies on the IWR. But if Hillary is the nominee, I will proudly cast my vote for her. If for no other reason than to see the spontaneous explosion of repuke heads.

But that one hellaciously big 'if', IMO.

In fact, I know a few Dems AND Republicans who hope to get a chance to vote for her for prez.

Of course, they're her constituents.

While I admire Hillary for all she's accomplished, she's too much of lightning rod to ordinary people.

A lot of ordinary Americans have fallen hook, line and sinker for all the BS the right wing has spewed about her.

Besides, 2008 is three years away. 2006 is 9 months away.

We Dems need to concentrate on the issues that are happening right now, i.e., Social Security, that horrendous Bankruptcy Bill, the War in Iraq and soon to be in Iran, making sure Patriot II doesn't become law and most importantly ensuring our future votes are cast and counted fairly and accurately.

I thought Harry Reid was leading the fight. The meeting, I assume you are speaking of, was held in New York, Clinton's home state.

The Senators are scheduled to go other states, including Nevada, if I am not mistaken.

She would have to lead the fight all over, not just in New York, to get the recognition needed to be considered a "front-runner"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/05/politics/05social.html?pagewanted=all&position=

Democratic leaders amassed in New York and elsewhere nationwide as part of a weekend fly-around to counter the administration blitz, while the Democratic National Committee put up radio advertisements in the cities Mr. Bush has visited, and outside groups, including MoveOn.org and the AARP, stepped up their opposition strategies.

At their event in New York, Democratic senators acknowledged that the retirement system faced deficits in the longer run, but their only solution, suggested by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, was to scrap scheduled income tax cuts for wealthier Americans.

<>"If you take privatization off the table, we'll be happy to sit down and talk about the future," Mr. Reid said.

The Democratic road show, stocked with powerhouses of the leadership, was repeated in Philadelphia later on Friday. It is to visit Phoenix and Las Vegas. The first event was moderated at Pace University in Lower Manhattan by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. She was also joined by Senators Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Democratic whip; Byron L. Dorgan of North Dakota, the Democratic Policy Committee chairman; and Frank R. Lautenberg of New Jersey, and by three private citizens who attested to the impact of Social Security payments on their lives and their fears that their benefits would be jeopardized by the Bush proposal. The Democrats called it a "conversation with America."

They argued that Mr. Bush's proposed solution is disproportionate to the problem, that the debate diverts attention from the budget deficit and from the lack of affordable health care, that the real motivation of ideologues in Washington is to shrink big government and to dismantle what Mr. Reid called "the finest social program in the history of the world" and that private accounts would further bloat the national debt and ultimately reduce retirement benefits.

Mr. Dorgan said commissions from private accounts invested in the stock market represented "a big wet kiss to Wall Street from the Bush administration."

"only solution, suggested by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, was to scrap scheduled income tax cuts for wealthier Americans."

He didn't offer it as a solution, he offered it as a fact. The tax cuts have caused these gaps more than SS has and that we could keep 2/3 of the tax cuts, repealing just 1/3, and fix social security with the difference.

Dems are making a HUGE mistake in not saying that this generation paid its own retirement though. Really pisses me off.

why in the hell don't the Democrats repeat this until they are "blue in the face."

It is a very strong argument. Bush could save Social Security, as a guaranteed insuranc program, with this simple step, but instead, he prefers to comfort the comfortable.

Don't want to be tax and spend Democrats I guess. Kerry has been the only one to mention the tax cuts so far, certainly the one only who did yesterday.

Another thing, I finally get his proposal for a payroll tax holiday back in 2000 or 2001, I don't remember. I'm going to put something together on it later.

But jesus fucking christ, we had a surplus because of OUR payroll taxes. So, duh, we should have had a payroll tax holiday. Of course, if we had, people would be wondering what the hell we're doing with a SS problem NOW. They would have totally connected the irresponsibility of our government with our money and I guess we can't have that.

So instead of trying to fight just election fraud, corporate media, and a brainwashed general public... Let's try to get the first woman president elected.

YEAH!!! Great idea.

Dorgan, Lautenberg and Kerry were all better than she was.

I will never understand this board. Hillary is far to the right of Kerry, has done much less in terms of fighting Rice & Gonzales and other issues, is much more pro-Iraq war; but she's a hero and he's a villain. :crazy:

Just to be clear, I've always thought Hillary was an opportunist who stayed married to Bill to further her own political ambitions. She certainly isn't the worst Democrat ever and I'd definitely support her if she were the candidate, but I've never been a big fan.

Hillary is unelectable. She has too much baggage and I'
Republicans WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS WOMAN. No way, No how. And I know an awful lot of Dem's that would rather bathe in dog shit than vote for her.

I know she has a loyal fan base, but that loyal fan base is not enough to get her in office. I guarantee it!

as far as I'm concerned . . . that and her hawkishness on the Iraq war . . . she won't get my vote . . .

have a chance. Hillary DOES have a record of fighting for the people. Hillary also has a record of fighting the repukes. She should not be underestimated at all.

Democrat. I'm sorry, but this is a fairly fundemental economic issue.

More war! More war! WooHoo!

the other states. I think the Dem panel travelling is Durbin, Kerry, Reid and Dorgan.

Hillary did a good job on the NY event last night.