Last gasp of the internet ...

You do know that it is over, right? We are too close to the truth on the Bu$h regime. The web will be closed down. Mark my word.

I've actually purchased a Grundig crank power shortwave just in case the information is shut down here in Occupied America.

got to look up something on those.

They run about $40 or so. It's a Grundig FR200 AM/FM/SW with a light, dual power from batteries or hand crank. I've also got a Coleman Freeplay AM/FM radio with a solar panel. An SKS, AK, AR-15, or other rifle should be part of the plan too.

.... probably time to crank it a couple minutes and refresh the battery :)

The local Lowe's started stocking more preparedness stuff after Hurricane Ivan hit back in September.

Lowes. The rifle is something my son wants to get too. I have never had a gun in the house but right now it seems like a good idea.

All this free flow of information has not stopped any bills getting passed that they wanted. No mass action by the people has the internet produced, except perhaps the demonstrations this summer? But they no longer fear demonstrations - they only look bad but "looks" don't really change much. It is only when masses of people withdraw large amounts of money from the system and stop participating in the economy, will they ever take notice that we the people may still have some clout. The people must organize out side of the political parties.

The power of the people has been almost completely usurped. And there is very little time before all is usurped. We are just spectators for the most part. With all this free flow of information the election fraud is still in effect and the war machine still goes on. And it's not even politics as usual but politics, even more destructive to the working people. What is this the 3rd season of American Idol?

Isn't one of the reasons for that the fact that the MSM never covers them? And when they do, they underreport the number of demonstrators?

Why clamp down if your winning anyway-keep the appearance of a democracy.

Revolution.

SWEET! I remember the Good Old Days when REVOLUTION really worked!

It can't come too soon. Got to remember, there are Freeper/Creepers who use the Internet too! Do you really think it will come to this?? I must admit I have worried about it, and I wouldn't put it past them either. Some of the things they've gotten away with are truly amazing.

Too many Americans following a CORRUPT Pied Piper!

easily pretend that he took our favorite one away. LOL.

Just kidding. I really don't think he can take it away from the whole World.

He can try (here come the new taxes of the 21st Century) to tax the Hell out of it, but I do not think he would be successful in the next four more years of Hell.

What the Hell are we talking about here? I cannot believe we are even discussing such things. Now that IS scary.

and keep the good internets.

Want some timber?

touched . . . including this country. (Idiot)

you've got the guts for a Fallujah style fight.

RegexReader
$USA =~ s/Republican/Democrat/ig;

I wasn't paying too much attention at the time, but Judy WoodWhore on CNN had a brief segment about some members of congress who want to exercise control over the blogs. Apparently, the Republicans are upset that the Democrats have discovered an ability to raise campaign funds through this medium. Did anyone else catch her show to find out who these guys are?

But it's been coming for a few months. I've heard the Pukes are tired of an uncontrolled and unedited means of information transfer. I guess controlling all the rest of the media's not enough for them.

Every time something comes up that will affect the Republican' s who put this man back in office, I want to gleefully laugh at them and tell them they have done a fine job in supporting this administration. It's a shame that even with all of your support, he will screw you as fast as he will any of us on the left. He has no dignity.

are they going to do about Canadian blogs and sites and Europeans etc? They can't control them. This is ridiculous. So what are they going to do? Fine democrats who use the interent with websites and blogs? I wonder what Mr. Dean has to say about this.

want to apply rules to the blogs. May involve tracking donations obtained by candidates due to links on a blog, for example.

... I'm afraid I don't believe.

Even the proledummiat would then realize what a bunch of pig fuckers these guys are.

What makes you think something like this is possible, let alone imminent?

but the thing to remember is how many people all over the world use the internet. So how could they take down a message board with people coming from all over?

like China. China blocks BBC (among others) country wide. There are some key points in the network that could probably be blocked. If servers are overseas, they would still run, but nobody in-country could get to them, though other countries could get to them.

We just have to figure out how to access them. :D

Why would we, I mean they take away your internet access?

This isn't China you know?

We've been wanting to talk to you....

Yes, this is the Land of the Free!

Negative, Mike was replaced. The higher ups felt he had been compromised.

And we miss Mike, can you tell him we said hi next time you see him?

"I can smell the rain coming."

to the Ami public. Just tell them terrorists are using the net to communicate with each other.

I like the idea of taxing the internet better. More money for us to blow!

And the I-net is nothing if not profitable for the corporatists.

NGU.

to retain profitability while eliminating unprofitable ventures like blogs & liberal BBS's. Like maybe filter everything thru AOL.

that can't stop the one without destroying the other. Billions are spent on the internet daily, whole companies like e-bay and amazon do all of their business on the internet. Even if the government chose to filter which sites are allowed and which are not, those of us that are part of the are not allowed will stop using the net altogether. Zero internet shopping on my part.

We have a winner. Thanks for cutting through all this paranoia and injecting some realism into the conversation.

Hallburton will take over Google, Enron gets Yahoo....and so on and so on. All the stuff we find now will be purged, leaving only nice, fluffy, warm stories on the chimp regime. Then we will get 24/7 on cable news how this is a WONDERFUL thing to have happen <cuz, after all, the search engines are enable us do the media's JOB for them and then QUESTION them...so they, too, will be thrilled w/ the changes>.

but as an American living abroad, I can tell you that the world does not revolve around the U.S. president. If it did, he wouldn't have gotten by with the truck-load of crap that he so far has gotten by with. The Internet doesn't revolve around the doofus, either. I'm reminded daily that we Americans, even we good Democrats, are not the center of the universe.

(Edit for typo.)

However any Progressive site or any site even slightly non flattering to bush will be shut down. They will use the Patriot act to shut us down and make our websites and blogs illegal. There is a reason the right wing nut jobs have been labeling us as non American and supporters of the enemy. People will have heard that enough to believe it so when they come for us the masses will accept it. Hopefully they will see through it and won't stand for it to happen but, they already have let this bastard steal three elections. 2000, 20002, and 2004. bush needs to be stopped before this can happen.

They'll just co-opt it, like they did with television and radio. It's already happening. Get the corporate-backed sites and a network of sympathetic personal sites to spin in concert and American perceptions will be skewed as readily as they are by FOXCNNABCCBSMSNBCCLEARCHANNEL.

report of a companion internet being developed that is "safe". This one will be "Family friendly", easier to use with new Microsoft programs, very secure for your online shopping and such.

Think about how the groundwork was laid by the Fundamentalists in the late 80's and during the 90's. They construct the issue, then frame it it perfectly, then quietly start to work, and VIOLA! Bush is a two termer and we have a group who voted him in on moral issues, according to propaganda.

The government/theocracy is patient. We are not going anywhere.

I already have one but what the hell..if you have one you won't need it anymore.

"The New Internet, officially known as Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6), has been mandated by the U.S. Department of Defense, as well as by other countries, to replace the existing Internet standard (Internet Protocol version 4 or IPv4), which has been in effect since 1973. IPv6 promises vast improvements in security, multimedia transmission, and mobile and wireless online operations, as well as enabling the Internet-based networking of billions of addressable devices that will create many new commercial products and services. Details of this transition, and the many important challenges and opportunities that it holds, will be presented at the conference."



http://www.innovations.harvard.edu/news/4080.html

Not....

It only took 50 years to get the resolution upped on TV's and it only took 50 to get that "TV that you can hang on the wall"

So yeah...I'm shaking in my boots at the possibilty that DU and a MILLION other sites(many running E commerce) will be gone in the blink of an eye. Ain't going to happen...

You realize how difficult it would be to shut down the entire internet, to shut down every single server in the US and overseas? Good freakin' luck on that! The best they can hope for is discrediting us.

They could block data transmissions coming IN country over the main trunks, but you can still access within the US. I think that they could probably make life hell for sites like this one--harassment of the owners and membership--but if there is an interest in keeping it going it will happen via emails and mirrored sites.

I think of this entire internet as being comparable to a circulatory system. There is a heart or (central point) that would be the phone system here in the US. There are also main data transmission hubs (comparable to veins and arteries) and there are individual data lines that would equate to capillaries (that's us!) They can't completely shut down any one area for long and keep the organism alive.

Laura

Watch out for all those cups of coffee in the morning. Nice P2 pic. If you were in the Navy back then, that means that you are old enough that you need to cut back on the coffee. I hope you aren't making it as strongly as the Navy does. That stuff will peel paint. Of course that's how chief's maintain their "sunny" disposition, by drinking that stuff.

Seriously, the net can't be shut down without bringing the economy to a halt. Even W supporters would howl if anything were done to the net.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2094336/

See You on the Darknet
Why we don't really want Internet security.
By Paul Boutin
Posted Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2004, at 12:40 PM PT

snip

"I have a game I play whenever I read an essay on politics written by a techie: How long until the first reference to George Orwell? Autodesk founder John Walker, in a recent 28,000-word monograph ponderously titled "The Digital Imprimatur," wastes no time: His piece is subtitled "How big brother and big media can put the Internet genie back in the bottle." If your eyes don't glaze over right then, they will as soon as Walker begins to explain how by signing up for cheap broadband service, with its firewalls and dynamic IP addresses, you've already compromised your freedom."

snip

"An ad hoc alliance of techno-rebels covertly transferring unauthorized data in defiance of network authorities—sound familiar, Neo? It's such a popular scenario that the same Microsoft researchers leading the company's secure computing efforts wrote a paper two years ago describing this inevitable backlash, which they dubbed the darknet. The darknet! Jeez, are they trying to make piracy cool? Who'd want to hang out on the boring old Internet when the other kids are on the darknet? The term has been picked up by mainstream publications including Rolling Stone, which defined darknets (plural) as "file-trading networks created by and for small, private groups of people." Instead of relying on KaZaA, these groups use programs like WASTE that let them swap wares on discrete networks without being remotely tracked. Even a cop with a subpoena would be hard-pressed to detect such a network's existence.

Microsoft's paper flatly warns that trying to shut down these networks could backfire:

There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide low cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This means that in many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal commerce. From the point of view of economic theory, this has profound implications for business strategy: for example, increased security may act as a disincentive to legal commerce."


Sorry for s disjointed quote, but as long as there is access to phone lines there will be options. The internet has the capacity to evolve beyond what we now use and understand.

Invoking the Patriot Act and the suspicion that certain sites were being used by "terrorists" to pass messages, the NeoCon justice Dept could shut down and sieze all property at:

1)Democraticunderground
2)buzzflash
3)democrats.com
4)Any LeftWing website that allows anonymous posting

I would be lost without these sites.