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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 11:34 PM
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Dean slams Bush on Town Hall meetings for only Republicans.
Edited on Wed Mar-09-05 11:34 PM by madfloridian
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/031005/dean.html

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said yesterday that President Bush’s policy of excluding non-Republicans from town-hall meetings on Social Security reform was “not an American thing to do.”
Patrick g. Ryan
DNC Chairman Howard Dean met yesterday with House Democrats.

Dean spoke at the House Democrats’ weekly meeting for 15 minutes and took questions from lawmakers, according to several sources inside the well-attended closed-door gathering. He made the comments about the town-hall meetings at a press conference after the closed-door session."

SNIP.."Dean has spent this week meeting with congressional Democrats; he met Tuesday with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Democrats. Pelosi speaks frequently to Dean on the phone and has let it be known that she is pleased with the enthusiasm he brings to the party..."

SNIP..."Inside the caucus meeting, Dean received the biggest applause when he promised that he would put at least four political operatives in all 50 states and not just the so-called “battleground” states. He also briefed lawmakers on his efforts to shore up grassroots organizing, saying that the DNC is touting its message to save Social Security in advertisements on African-American, Spanish-language and rural radio stations..."

SNIP..."On abortion, Dean told the caucus that the party needs to change the language of the debate, which he said is now conducted on Republican terms. The language, he said, needs to be changed from “pro-life, pro-choice,” to “rare, safe and legal.” And he promised to discuss those changes with groups favoring abortion rights...."





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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 11:37 PM
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1. "UnAmerican," Oh My
Hey, I likes it.

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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 11:39 PM
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2. Way to go Dr. Dean, showing star quality in the Dems Party
:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 11:41 PM
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3. I like that they ignored the Carville/Greenberg memo.
They will do it their way, not Carville's. Good.

SNIP.."Asked whether a memo distributed last week by two prominent Democrats, pollster Stan Greenberg and strategist James Carville, had been discussed in the closed-door meeting, Dean said it had not.

The memo argues that Democratic criticism of private accounts would be “more powerful if rooted in a definitive direction and conviction.”
For now, Pelosi has ordered House Democrats to “oppose, not propose,” changes to Social Security, according to a well-placed Democrat.


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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 11:45 PM
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4. Sounds Like A Plan
But hang tough!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 11:57 PM
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5. Change the language on abortion--add something about the
"sanctity of women's autonomy" or something like that....

Dean apparently made no impression on the House "New Democracts" or the Senate 14...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:07 AM
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7. He would not be expected to do so.
They have their orders from Al From still, I fear. Go to the DLC site. There are two articles there today informing Dean to keep his nose to the grindstone and his policy to himself. New Democrats as DLC.
www.ndol.org
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:16 AM
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9. Yeah, and The Nation has an article that the DLC is on a road to nowhere.
eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:22 AM
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12. That is probably why they blasting forth today.
Because of that nation article.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:47 AM
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14. Yes, that and the cover before that with Dean read "Now HE has the power!"
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!Yeeeeeaaagggghhhhhhh!!!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:00 AM
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17. I gather you mean this little cover.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:00 AM
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18. That is misleading, of course,
because all the guy ever wanted was a more traditional and democratic process.

There are some people who are afraid of Dean and his "having power"; luckily, they do not amount to many.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:01 AM
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20. Right, he wanted to bring a place at the table for grassroots.
I don't think he cares about himself that much.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:58 AM
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16. This is significant:
A party gets only one chance every four years to define itself for the voters. That comes in the presidential nominating process, and that definition is determined by the party's presidential nominee and what he or she stands for. Ironically, the best thing a party chairman can do is to keep his head down and his nose to the grindstone, and give potential candidates a clear field to have that debate. Dean will do fine as long as he remembers the Hippocratic Oath: First, do no harm.

No, guys; that's not the way democracy works. The party does not define itself for the voters--

THE VOTERS DEFINE THE PARTY.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:02 AM
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21. I posted that earlier somewhere. That paragraph says it all.
Every four years the nominee will decide the agenda....no AL, not anymore.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:01 AM
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19. I wish Dean
would tell From to fuck off. I really dislike that man.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:49 AM
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15. Why do you say that? n/t
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 11:58 PM
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6. Your last excerpt is so important.
Most people in this country would agree on that one. It's the loud minority who would object.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:07 AM
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8. Agree, janx. It is a good way to phrase it.
:hi:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:19 AM
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10. That phrase has been around for some time, too.
I'm not sure if it came from Planned Parenthood or from politics.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:21 AM
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11. I know Clinton used it, but don't know where he got it.
It carries a non-threatening tone. The pro-choice, pro-life is made up stuff, as he has said often.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:26 AM
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13. Yes, it is. It's idealistic to the point of absurdity.
But there are far more people who are willing to be led than there are people who are willing to think and face reality.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:28 AM
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22. The national debt is to be a big part of foreign policy discussions.
SNIP..."Asked about foreign-policy issues, Dean told The Hill that the amount of U.S. debt held by the Chinese and Saudi governments would be part of any foreign-policy message.

“We’re going to have a much broader discussion about that,” he said, alluding to record U.S. deficits over the past several years....."

This is excellent.
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:37 AM
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23. those partisan gathering are absurd
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:56 AM
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24. Oh man I love this man.
nt
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:04 AM
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25. just need to change the "caption" to
A guide to bush town hall meetings... works either way...

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:37 PM
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26. Great cartoon. Did you create that?
Love it.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 03:58 AM
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29. yes, It's mine
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:59 AM
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31. -ha ha
Great, but you should put the critics behind a fence or something.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 04:38 PM
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27. Go Howard!!
NGU.


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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 05:06 PM
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28. What's the problem: the MSM never seems to question it.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 04:40 AM
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30. George is only a "Half President".
But that's his choice.

Let 'er rip, Howard!
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