Support Kerry 08 Wristbands

We just found a great website http://www.supportkerry08.com . They are selling Support Kerry 08 wristbands and bumper stickers for just $1.00. They are awesome! Let's push this movement and let's see people on every street corner wearing these just like the Lance Armstrong band. KERRY '08!

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And I say that as a longtime supporter of John Kerry's.

Please show some restraint.

It's more important now to unite against the GOP agenda. We need to unite behind ALL our leaders right now....Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Durbin, Boxer, and ALL OF THEM engaged in this battle.

please.

If we can't do better than a Skull and bones billionaire then we deserve to have our asses handed to us. I voted for Kerry. I tolerated Kerry, I was, not surprisingly, dissappointed by Kerry.

Hmm...new member...disabled profile...first thing they do is push some site selling liberal-targeted merch...

I can't wait to get them.

http://thinkblue2008.com/index.php

Nevermind Kerry or any one individual, let's think a little broader than that.

Julie

Don't worry, he's had plenty of practice. :)

since he's your favorite guy.

Yeah, that'd be horrible.

I wouldn't want a guy running who was so cowardly as to sign a major groundbreaking civil rights bill in an election year with only 30% approval. :eyes:

i mean he's such a wimp. He didn't have the courage that Kerry had to come out in favor of giving Bush power to go to war (while vainly asking him not to use it.) That showed real guts, to vote for that IWR. Kerry sure remembered the lessons of Vietnam with that move. Dean was so wussy that he spoke out publicly against Democratic support for the IWR. What, does he hate America? :eyes:

The thing that required the most bravery was supporting Bush's tax cuts for all but 2% of the population. Especially after voting against them! Who cares about social programs and deficits, we need to keep George Bush's wise and helpful tax cuts, which were a huge boon to the middle class. So what if they came out of funding for our schools. Dean definitely does not share Kerry's bravery on this issue :eyes:


So, yeah, wouldn't it be horrible for Dean to run again? Good thing he said he wouldn't. :eyes:

I'm assuming that the "groundbreaking civil rights bill" to which you're referring is the civil union one.
The Supreme Court of Vermont mandated that same-sex partnerships (either marriage or civil unions) HAD to be permitted. Dean had no choice, and he went with the more conservative option.

other choices

1. Whine about activist judges on the court and ignore the order (Pull an Andrew Jackson)
2. Delay action on the order until after the election
3. push for a constitutional amendment overturning the Court's decision.
4. Sign an ineffective bill that on its face looks like it conforms to the order, but really doesn't. Wait for challenge to go through courts.

I'm just saying, it's not as though he led some brave crusade for equal rights.

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p.s. welcome to DU!

:toast:

and people want him back in 2008? :shrug:

of course Nader, so yeah it was a pretty decent campaign, in fact he probably won, and no doubt he'll win again.

In order to lose to Bush in 2004, you would've had to come up with the most miserably incompetent campaign possible, and in that respect Kerry's handlers succeeded. Running against arguably the worst president in US history, Kerry should've been up in the polls by a WIDE margin throughout the campaign and he never was. It was always close at best.

And enough with the implication of the vote fraud issue as it relates to his campaign. Vote fraud or not, Kerry's campaign was BRUTAL with the exception of a couple bright moments maybe.

who bought off voters with ruinous "tax cuts" and promises of more, got away with every kind of unethical lie by buying off churches and media execs, waged an illegal war to create a phony security crisis and legitimized it all with 9/11, a product of their own negligence.

And evidently Republicans aren't the only ones who fell for it.

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He did not do it because he was a great cabdidate or ran a great campaign

and the DLC, we are now residing at 101 Political Wilderness Lane.

To think many DUers think they did a great job is frightening regarding our future prospects. Thankfully DU is not representative of the Real World political activists. Very few that I know of actually post here. Lots of armchair warriors though....

Julie

I think DU is very representative of the soul of the Democratic party. The key word: representative.

I know a lot of activists who post here.

An armchair DUer does more work for the Democratic Party than most rank-and-file Democrats.

Just what gets accomplished here at DU? Polls DU'd? E-mails sent? Do you actually know how much (little) weight is given to e-mails? Almost none in comparison to handwritten letters as far as legislators are concerned.

As to DU being representative, thank bob you are wrong.

Here at DU one would've thought the primaries were between Dean and Clark, hell one would've thought Clark was a real contender. Out here in the real world it was "Clark who?"

We have folks screaming bloody murder over the Senators who voted yes ont he backruptcy bill, demanding states run another in the primaries. When I ask for suggestions as to who we could run in MI against Stabenow I get silence. Oh yes, and the hissy fits on the backruptcy business from stong supporters of Kerry who voted for (and would again) for Jr's Iraq debacle. Oy!

I see a lot of knee-jerk idealism reactions, nothing grounded in reality. No, this place ain't representative of real world Dem efforts and I am glad of it.

I will concede that there are some actual activists here, those I know of tend to be the most realistic and sensible of the lot. We also don't see a whole lot of 'em becasue they are out actually doing something instead of playing armchair warrior.

Julie

Lately, if this place were representative of the Democratic Party or even most liberals I know of, we'd be without much hope....because for each thread or post where someone tries to come up with a solution, there are 99 negative threads or posts about nothing but whining. Yes there are many exceptions where people do come up with good ideas, but for all those fine ideas there is little follow-up or interest. Start a negative thread, though, and the replies come streaming in by the dozens. Whenever I've started a thread with an idea for helping to solve what ails our party, people quickly jump on and try to ruin it by using what's become the age-old excuse around here of voter fraud. Around here the answer too often is something like this: "But Kerry won.....we didn't lose...vote fraud is what kept the chimp in power." Yeah, right. Gimme a break. Let's just blame it on that all the time instead of admitting how horrible the campaign was and trying to fix it for next time.

Clark's DLC insiders convinced him not to run in Ohio. (Big mistake for Clark, but the only thing the DLC knows how to do these days is lose elections.)

The corporate-insiders hated Dean even more than Clark; They sabotaged him in Ohio and then http://lists.cms-forum.org/pipermail/voters/2004-March/000022.html">tampered with ballot-boxes in New Hampshire to ensure a Kerry victory.

Yes, I'm being a bit tinfoil-hatted, but that's what I believe.

:tinfoilhat:

Would Dean have won the general election? I don't know. But I do suspect that Dean would have fought back as the fraud was going on under his nose. (Speculation.)

DUers aren't perfect... but they are a good cross-section of the Democratic party. They may not be full-time activists, but they do more collectively then the members of any other on-line forum for the Democratic cause.

By the way, if you know of a better forum that is representative of real world Dem efforts please post the link... I would love to start visiting that site. (I mean this in a non-sarcastic way, I really am curious.)

In short: I love DU, I love DUers and I love the Democratic Party.

ON EDIT: I agree that emails are useless, but it's better than nothing.

Dean's loss in the primaries?

AArrrggg! And it's past the time I'm allowed to edit!

Doh! :dunce:

F*** em. They all suck. :-)

In many locales Clark wasn't even a factor.

It was the Congressional cabal vs. Dean all the way.

Julie

There's NO WAY that should have been close enough to steal. For God's sakes, it was a popular peacetime administration with a near-perfect record, foreign, domestic, and economic, against a certifiable idiot babbling about how he's gonna be compassionate.

the same 0-3 dim bulbs who, by the way, still work in top positions in the party.

No shame in losing an election, but he rolled over faster than a streetwalker in New Jersey.

AWOL: 11/05/2004

www.BlackEyedSundays.com

n/t

There is an election in only 20 months.

Seriously. Look at the number of weak D seats up in '06 and the number of weak R seats, and look at the voting trendlines. Momentum is against us.

But if we get Congress we get the MSM. It's not evil, it's lazy--it just writes what the guys in power tell it to.

Look, it won't matter WHO runs in 2006 or 2008 unless we fix the election system.

If it comes to Kerry vs. Clinton...I'll sport the wristband.

If that's the best the party can put up, we're in big trouble in '08. I'll say it again- the candidate CANNOT come from the Senate. Someone with executive experience- most likely a governor- has the best chance of winning the WH.

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He has a pretty good liberal record. Not the best, but he's certainly no Lieberman.

more worthwhile cause.

:mad: :puke: :argh: :grr:

and it's getting really old.

and think the election may have been stolen again. That being said, I would like to see a more progressive candidate who has a stronger back bone. S & B to me only says he's another centrist (like clinton) who will only take us backwards less quickly.

Kerry had his chance and it ddn't work out. He's still a good Senator (better than either of mine, Lieberman and Dodd). But we should look for a leader who can capture people's imagination and help create a tidal shift in domestic and foreign policy. We have some time to find that person. If you think it's Kerry, fine. I'll need some persuading though.

2008 is a long way away. All possible candidates will have to EARN their way into the race. Again, as it should be.

It's really really dumb. It's annoyingly, blindingly, amazingly dumb. It's so dumb that it's an embarrasment to share a forum with folks who use that as an actual argument in a public forum.

In brief, it lacks substance.

It lacks backup.

It lacks principle.

And it's really, really, really dumb.

S&B Stuff is really really dumb.

relax. this is a forum after all. lighten up.

how long would you like? 15 minutes? 20?


:hi:

It wasn't meant to start a flame war. Sorry if I offended. I'll go back to the safety of GD.

but people need to get the fuck over it and quit acting like fucking babies. it is really getting old.

if you want kerry support from DU, you're not going to get it here, or in any other forum, other than the John Kerry Group, but you need to donate to post in there.


Seriously, don't waste your time mentioning Kerry's name here. It's not worth the unnecessary words of hate you will endure.

AND IT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT!

and it is so fucking tiring, as well as FUCKING BULLSHIT!

WHY do people feel the need to do it? WHAT can they possibly get out of it? And I'm not just talking about Kerry, I'm talking about all the decent dems who routinely get trashed on here for ridiculous reasons. We eat our own.

THEY are the good guys - BUSHit is the bad guy. WHAT is so difficult to comprehend about that?

- as to what your $$$ cut is off these wristbands?

They probably cost about .05 ea. to make - the site doesn't say up front what the shipping is - and there is no indication anywhere that the funds are going to any source other than someone's personal pocket.

This thread is looking a lot like SPAM to me.

A simple reference to the website would have been o.k., but not the promotion of a product being sold.

DU should not be in the business of free advertising for profiteers.

the people who run the site are fine and are nice people.

should be allowed. A disreputable poster could post a link to something similar, with all the $$$ going towards their new yacht or whatever.

Oh, the other hand, it's a let the buyer beware world. It just seems tacky when people start hawking their merchandise in a forum for political discussion...it may be more appropriate to post this in the Kerry forum.

let's be honest--the original post is spam, plain and simple.

Yay!!!

over and expecting a different outcome.

Most other countries have candidates who run several times, usually losing the first time, but winning name recognition and actual experience. The US does just the opposite.
Could it be why we cant seem to be able to win as long as the Republicans dont screw up.

n/t