O.K., I promised I'd go in (to Freeperland) and here is my report

Yesterday I proposed an idea that, based on what is happening over at Kos and other blogs on both the left and right, was not an original idea. (Damn it, I had a creative writing instructor in college who said that there ARE no original ideas...just original ways to present them..I failed at both! :))

The idea I proposed was for Democratic Underground and Free Republic to come together to oppose the bankruptcy bill.

Just to close out my end of the bargain, I did go over to Free Republic today and did not conduct an official tally but noticed that they are about evenly broken out into two camps. Again, this is just an inital perception because it is hard to count repeat posters, etc. One camp is that what you borrow you owe no matter what...It is the typical compassion-less drivel that I have come to expect from the posts over there (I emphasize that, btw, because I think that if you talk to the posters themselves outside of the protection of cyber-space that you will find that this is largely machissimo).

The diverging (and equally voiced) opinion over there expresses sentiments that are similar to what I expect would be near-unanimous at Democratic Underground: this is legislation that has been purchased by the credit card companies to the benefit of only them. There was a fair amount of palpable disgust from these posts.

Anyway, I think that in the coming days, we may see the first example of what happens when a CONSENSUS is built in the blogosphere. It is already beginning to happen at DailyKos and politechnolgy (can't remember the exact name of that web site). I will participate in this as much as someone possibly can.

I think that united our voice will be much louder than it would be divided.

Many FR denizens either have or are on the verge of filing for bankruptcy.

Just like the rest of America.

It will just take some longer to realize they have voted against their own self-interest than others.


I'm both amused and sad.

freepers have to be some of the most ignorant creatures I've ever seen. They post some scary shit.

anyway, cognitive dissonance is the act of doing something WHILE knowing it's bad...like smoking, Bush supporters believe a lot of BS because doing otherwise (and rejoining reality) would cause them pain, shame and a busted ego.

many of them don't want to believe how wrong their heros in DC are.

look at the 74 senators voted for the bill:

55 R
18 D (including biden that idiot! he can kiss the primaries good bye!)
1 I

what repub. didn't vote for the bill? I'm in PA and I'm calling both of my senators tomorrow. see phone list at politology.us

GIVE'EM ALL HELL!

this bankruptcy bill is going to be great for up coming conversation.

reflex and not neocons or nasty. Missionary work among the Freepers is pretty impressive. My compliments.

fired from my job, and redeploy me BACK to freeperland in two days...I don't like that kind of "Pay."

planter on the back porch.

This one's for you:

...Nixon in China award.

I'm new here--what's 'freeperland'?

the idealogical antithesis to DU. You won't believe it until you see it.

I'm not anywhere NEAR up on all this stuff--I'm a leettle bit long in the tooth... I hope I can read over there for free--I'd hate to have to pay to keep an eye on 'em! Thanks!

hateful repugs who think the answers to most problems lie at the end of a barrel of a gun. I am surprised to hear that some of them over there are growing a piece of a backbone and knocking the bankruptcy bill. Usually any type of dissent over there gets them immediately bounced from the site. Bet their little pin heads are exploding from the irony of voting for the Chimp only to have him stab them in the back over this Republican "let's pay back the banks and credit card companies for the money they gave us" scheme.

Freepers deserve exactly what they get from this awful administration but the shame is that the rest of us have to suffer along with them when we did everything possible to save them from themselves.

I can see I need to do some reading up! Thanks!

and you'll see why most Senators passed it.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=F06

:hi: If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. :hi: I hope you like it here.

But I admire what you are doing and wish it every success.

they know not what they do.

you borrow, you pay back. why is that compassion-less drivel. why am i compassionless because i believe if you are going to buy something on credit, you really owe the company. it isnt a gimme

not into this bankruptcy law for the mere reason it is tough on middle and lower class and leaves outs for the rich. unfair. unbalanced

but why am i the bad guy because i believe if you want an upgraded $1500 flat screen tv you should have to pay for it

my husband owns a business, buys computer for someone, sets it up, money out of his pocket, to feed his family and the person says, i cant pay...............you think the compassionate me should say no problem. my treat. wont be in business long. we will be the one filing bankruptcy. we pay our bills. we believe you buy, you pay

concept of if you borrow you should pay it back. It's that they have made no exclusions for the people who really need and deserve the protection and second chance bankrupcy can provide.

i agree. i am however seeing countless posts that are suggesting not paying back should be an ok practice. i dont think it is something we suggest to the country. i know in my twenties i didnt feel a responsibility to pay back either. why i understand the concept was there. knowing htis about myself thru maturity, i dont borrow for that reason. or keep tight control on money out so i am never in the position.

not something i am wanting my children to pick up on either. and i see too many in the business world that doesnt feel they have to pay. and employees, and friends

the predatory practices of credit card companies. When I walked into college for the first time in my life. I was 20 years old. There we're 5 desks set up just inside the main campus doors right outside of the Admin office from credit card companies. They we're giving away "pre-approved" credit cards to any student with a minimum of $500 credit line. They had all kinds of gifts and affinity cards they we're giving away to people to entice them to sign up. The APR's were outrageous. (something like 20.9% with a default APR of over 35%!!!!!!!) I was young and dumb, so I got one. Before long, the card was maxed out. I was schooling full time and living at home. I wasn't working and the card quickly went into default. By the end of that school year, I owed over $1400 on a $500 credit limit card!!! I didn't know better then, but every time I think about it... I get more and more pissed about how they suckered me in. My credit was ruined before I even finished college. I'm still to this day at 32 trying to fix my credit.

i didnt have the money, but i really really wanted to have that pizza. a lot. lol lol. i used my card. ended with debt of 800 i couldnt pay back. that was enough of a lesson for me

hey, parents should be teaching kids about all that on cards. and we should set good example teaching kids. cause we will be the one picking up their bill at 23. but, sometimes it is a lesson for us.

i had a bank at that time that i would put a check in to cover amount. write a check and not have funds. then this bank would charge 20 for every bounce check, i felt shouldnt have bounced. lesson learned. i left banks for over a decade. now i make demand on bank to service me and value me as a customer or i go. no more fucking me. the difference between being poor and young and impulsive, to not..........

i also get pissed at the people that use rent to own. pay three four five times the worth and totally say fuck me. lol lol, bad company but hey, what about the people that ALLOW themselves to be suckered..........youth or self gratifier

That's the problem, YOU won't be able to file bankruptcy. Or not a bankruptcy that will afford you any relief. This is a very BAD BILL for America.

it is the attitude of posts, we dont have a personal responsibilty in our debt that is my issue. and i feel the need to oppose when i hear this suggested

we fight the bad bill. we dont embrace the irresponsibility. how we dont get a bad name as a liberal. there is enough to fight on this bill, with injustices and lack of compassion, without taking it to,.......we dont have to have self constraint, we dont have to be responsible

Very impressive.

If 50% of Freekerville and almost 100% of DU can agree on something, you can draw only one conclusion--this bankruptcy bill is maybe the worst policy ever approved by one portion of the legislative bodies.

And yet it passed in the Senate.

Amazing,seeing how they have been touting little Hitler's economic plans and this BOOMING ECONOMY for years now. Sounds like many of the freepers and waiting for the other shoe to drop on THEIR economic situation.

Earth to Freeps,you voted for this BASTARD twice and you come over here pretending to be Dems(until you implode)trying to derail meaningful threads about Chimps economic plans and the disaster they would cause.

Well...that disaster is knocking on the door and its not limited to your voting priority,it affects EVERYONE. I've always been a caring person but right now I don't give a DAMN if this bill if passed takes you out.

You shit in your nest twice when you pulled a lever for this dictator. Now his reckless corporate kiss ass policy's are going to rain down on you and yours like a ton of bricks.

We tried to warn you over and over since 2000.....

(I can't post it as a new thread yet... how many posts before I can?)

It was on the news a day or two ago about how, when the Pubbies caught Saddam, he wasn't in a hole at all--that they just made it all up? I forget where it was.....

Welcome to DU.

:toast:

And thanks for the welcome!

:hi:

I think there were a few threads about it. We're so used to the lies that they don't even shock us anymore, sadly.

Don't know how many posts you need exactly. I was able to start a tread somewhere between 50-100 posts.

One of the Arab-American soldiers involved said that Hussein was caught in a house, and fought back, one US soldier was killed in the fight.

The 'spider-hole' was staged later by a military production crew using an abandoned well.

On edit: here's a link to the story on Truthout:
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/3/9/141338/0997

I'm just getting used to this political thing--times sure have changed since the 1990's and 1976 too etc.! I didn't pay nearly enough attention....

http://www.13wham.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=422B960A-26BA-4891-9E60-21C8818788D4

Not.........

I couldn't find it again and wanted to read more about it!

Any one think that there's a chance in hell that after passing thru the senate and house that the chimperor might actually veto it? He would come out smelling like a rose!
Clinton vetoed the same legislation at least once in his term. It has passed through both houses before.....

Anyone know how this new law would affect the billionaire robber barons? Under this law, would Ken Lay have lost any of his luxury homes or any of his golden parachute? I'm thinking there's no way Jesus wants our U.S. Senate to pass a law that might make a rich person uncomfortable.

will be protected by their own insolvency. Yes, fat cats will skate.

Thanks for going over to Freeperland on this. I think it's worth it to try to see if we can get "bi-partisan" support to defeat that Bill out here in Bloggerland.


Bankruptcy Bill will affect everyone. And, it doesn't have anything to do with Bill Clinton or Liberals. Maybe some of them will see it that way. We can always hope. :yourock: