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oecher3 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:24 PM
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What is up with Time magazine speculating on Zarqawi's attack on U.S.?
Is there something to it? Did anyone see the article, but I just read a headline on German news ticker that Zarqawi(Sarkawi) is aiming at American "soft target" like movie theaters, schools, restaurants, but hasn't found any suicide-missionaries yet.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1037626,00.html

Please tell me there is not a foreshadowing of another attack, or threat by this administration? Are Bush's rates too far down again? Or is this another case of government covert-proper"gender" ala Karen Ryan or Williams?

(nice reading on that topic in today's NY Times: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1037626,00.html)
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:27 PM
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1. Amazing how they know what he thinks, what he's planning...
but can't seem to capture him!

Fishy, fishy, fishy.

(proper"gender" = propaganda?)
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oecher3 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:41 PM
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22. proper"gender" = propaganda
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 11:46 PM by oecher3
sorry my misspelling:

I meant to reference the very proper gander , a nice fable by James Thurber, as a punt for trying to use propaganda so secretly; however, as sad as this explanation proves, I messed it up.

so take it as a yes and think about the fable as additional though provoked.

For your convenience:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/FrankGemkow/fable/gander.htm

The very proper gander

Not so very long ago there was a very fine gander. He was strong and smooth and beautiful and he spent most of his time singing to his wife and children. One day somebody who saw him strutting up and down in his yard and singing remarked, "There is a very proper gander." An old hen overheard this and told her husband about it that night in the roost. "They said something about propaganda," she said. "I have always suspected that," said the rooster, and he went around the barnyard next day telling everybody that the very fine gander was a dangerous bird, more than likely a hawk in gander's clothing. A small brown hen remembered a time when at a great distance she had seen the gander talking with some hawks in the forest. "They were up to no good," she said. A duck remembered that the gander had once told him he did not believe in anything. "He said to hell with the flag, too," said the duck. A guinea hen recalled that she had once seen somebody who looked very much like the gander throw something that looked a great deal like a bomb. Finally everybody snatched up sticks and stones and descended on the gander's house. He was strutting in his front yard, singing to his children and his wife. "There he is!" everybody cried. "Hawk-lover! Unbeliever! Flag-hater! Bomb-thrower!" So they set upon him and drove him out of the country.

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:40 PM
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2. They were fed a document...
... by someone in government, purely, simply. They have no way to verify it, and they ran with it, anyway.

This a variant on a theme which was circulating during the Christmas shopping season in 2003, except that now it has al-Zarqawi's name attached to it.

These people are shameless.
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oecher3 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:52 PM
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3. if that is the case...
how can you take anything they say seriously?

Maybe they will come out with another recommendation, i.e. that kids need lolly-pops in the class-room or better an bubble gum in case of an attack.

Or maybe one should wear sunglasses when watching a movie in the theater to prevent a microbial or bio-hazardous attack.

In other words. In case there ever is another attack, one will be unprepared and yet should have known as pre-9/11. It does neither show any sincere attempt answering the question of the event's "preventability," nor does it eliminate one's suspicion that our own government is somehow involved in these actions.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:10 PM
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4. That's my point...
... you can't take anything they say seriously.

Preventability should be a function of the government--the individual simply can't go on day after day in a heightened state of uncertainty without it interfering with day-to-day life. That's a fact.

The simple fact that neither Congress nor the administration has provided adequate funds for local first responders should tell you how serious the adminstration is about another attack. This is simply not a priority.

Remember what John Dilulio (Bush's former faith-based initiative coordinator) said of them: "They're the Mayberry Machiavellis--every policy is driven by politics."

They want to keep the fear factor ratcheted up. The reason is very simple--scared people don't think clearly.

Cheers.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:59 PM
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5. How long before they discover he's holed up in Iran?
Gotta keep the citizenry pumped up for the next "liberation".
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oecher3 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:12 PM
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6. More Syria at this point...
those Syrian taking their time to leave Lebanon and openly aiding terrorists! O8)
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 06:00 PM
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7. Zarqawi is Rove's make-believe Bogeyman
ChimpCo sez they know for certain that he was the one doing the beheading in several of those videos (they got that CIA x-ray gizzmo that can see behind face masks).

then they tell us that he's "trying" to communicate with OBL and OBL is "trying" to communicate with him (satellite photos of string and tin cans).

and he personally plans every ambush, IED and car bomb attack in Iraq (photos of him dispatching flying monkeys).

and he' s working with "Al Qaida in Iraq" in Falluja and they almost caught him there but he got away (never mind the place was surrounded and the Marines killed every living thing that tried to flee).

and he's got one leg????? (not quite sure about that).

and now he's gonna come over here an blow up schools and ch-ch-churches????

:scared:

The guy sure gets around.

Bet he's got one of those magic carpets too...
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 06:07 PM
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8. Let's not be so anti-Bush that we become oblivious to our own safety.
To think that we won't see more terrorist attacks on US soil--- possibly orchestrated by this man, possibly not--- is naive. Let's not let our hatred of George Bush blind us to the very real terrorist danger facing our nation today.
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BushIsBurning Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 07:15 PM
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9. Let's Not Blind Ourselves that this Danger Is Bush's Creation...
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 07:17 PM by BushIsBurning
Last time I checked, it was the piece of garbage Bush who started the Iraq war with lies. Last ime I checked, it was this filthy war that is attracting terrrorists from around the world, so they can now have a base to attack us in the United States.

Last time I checked Bushitler had ordered a genocidal attack in Fallujah.

Last time I checked, I heard that we (the United States) have murdered 100,000 civilians in Iraq.

Last time I checked, we couldn't figure out why the POS ignored the warnings of the 9/11 attacks, and sat in a classroom joking and smiling while our fellow citizens were being burnt alive and burnt to bits in the twin towers.

If we want to be "safe", why don't we do something about the vermin that are controlling America ?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 07:59 PM
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10. Last time I checked, it doesn't much matter whose fault it is to the dead.
Thanks for completely dimissing my point.
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BushIsBurning Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:07 PM
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14. Should It Matter to the Families of the Victims that Bush MURDERED ???
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:09 PM
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15. "Ma, he hit me first!"
That's about as much sense as your last post made...

:eyes:
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millertime Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:51 PM
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23. Terrorists have been around LONG before Bush
Come on, Bush may be an idiot but he did not INVENT terrorists. These bottom feeders have been attacking innocent people for decades - Northern Ireland, Beirut, Israel, Iraq.....

We have NOT murdered 100K civilians and seriously doubt any genocidal attacks have been ordered.

While many seriously question our foreign policies, I really think you're going a bit overboard with some of these statements.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 08:06 PM
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12. The risk is MUCH less than being struck by lightening.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 08:08 PM
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13. 3000 people were killed by lightning in a single day?
I must have missed that...

:shrug:
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BushIsBurning Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:12 PM
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16. 3.000 People in 1,200 Days = 2.5 People Per Day
One could also compare with about 50,000 Americans killed every year in traffic accidents. I don't know about lightening, but cars are a lot more dangerous than Bin Laden.

In addition, it's kind of gruesome to just focus on AMERICAN lives:
Bushitler has probably killed that many children and AIDS victims in the US already...And don't forget 100,000 innocent victims in Iraq, not to mention his complicity with the 2,700 victims in NY on 9/11.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:32 PM
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17. When you LIVE in America, and the attack will be ON America, ...
... you'd be a damned fool to NOT focus on it, IMO. This isn't a debate about the war, ffs, it's about the likelihood of an attack on our nation. It IS possible to consider both, after all.

:wtf:
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BushIsBurning Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:26 PM
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18. Agreed...Let's Talk About the People America Tortured & Murdered Today...
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:00 AM
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24. As an early-antiwar activist, I have no problem doing that.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 04:05 AM by Padraig18
My whole point was that I'm capable of 'walking and chewing gum at the same time; I deplore the Iraq war and the suffering it has brought to the Iraqi people, but I'm also deeply concerned for my countrymen's safety and well-being.

Peace.

:hi:
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:21 AM
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26. The only terrorist threat facing this nation is from
The so-called leaders in our government.

How people still sallow this swill is beyond me.

Nothing personal and no offense meant to you, but after four years of the most laughable propaganda I have ever seen, how could you possibly take these people seriously?

The greatest threat to this country is within our own Borders.

Even if one happens to buy the nonsense of the "Official Story" of 9/11, these bastards that have hijacked our country are FAR more dangerous and threatening than any "terrorist threat" from overseas.

And if by now anyone who thinks our government would not do ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING to accomplish it's own mad agenda, it frightens me what it would take to convince them.

And it frightens me even more that even that probably still wouldn't be enough.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:57 AM
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27. Terrorists attacked this country long before Bush* became POTUS.
No offense to you, either, but I'm not going to ignore obvious dangers to my country simply because I despise that fool who occupies the Oval Office.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 08:05 PM
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11. They work for the GOP...diversion needed, Time to the rescue.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:33 PM
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19. My theory is that Osama is dead, and they can't keep that fact hidden....
...so before that news breaks, they have to convince the sheeple that old Hopalong Zarqawi the peg-legged terra pirate has taken Osama's place as Al Qaeda CEO, so BE SCARED!!!

Please... IF Zarqawi even exists - which still hasn't been proven- he's a local thug who wants the invaders out of his country. He has no connections to Al Qaeda, or means to attack a country he's never seen.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:32 AM
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25. Let's be clear
He is not Iraqi and couldn't care less about the governance of Iraq. His motivation has nothing to do with "his country" as he is Jordanian. I think it is clear that he does/did exist, but he has never been a top ally of bin laden.

It's obvious what's going on. The insurgency, the real people who want the invaders out of their country, is on the rise or not abating.

They always switch the focus of the agressor to suit the political circumstances. If an election or something governmental is coming up, they blame the insurgents. If they've got nothing else to blame, it's zarqawi time.

I don't think it's helpful to mix up the facts and have never understood why people want to do that. Every terrorist act is not committed by CIA operatives. There really are plain old terrorists in Iraq, as well as insurgents, as well as Ba'athists who want to rule again.

Politically, this is more fucked up than Vietnam.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:18 PM
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20. And you thought "Fear Factor" was about people eating termites!
Guess again!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:27 PM
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21. Bush's poll numbers are down
Accordingly, the fear factor must be ramped up.

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:35 AM
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28. And this comes just after...
A secret FBI report has cast doubt on al-Qa'ida's ability to stage another "spectacular" attack in the US, three and a half years after the 9/11 suicide hijackings and a year after the Madrid bombings, the network's only other major strike in the West.

While the desire of the al-Qa'ida leadership to attack the US was "not in question", the report said, "their capability to do so is unclear, particularly in regard to 'spectacular' operations". Contrary to statements by prosecutors and the FBI's own chief, Robert Mueller, the February report, obtained last week by ABC News, says the agency knows of no al-Qa'ida "sleeper" agents in the US.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1308329
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:46 AM
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29. How many SS promos has Bush skipped to concentrate on "terror"?
Does HE regard terrorism as a real threat? Of course, he didn't before 9/11.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:08 AM
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30. As usual, it's hard to say
First, I would find it interesting that Osama, who has demonstrated that he is quite capable of striking inside the US, would ask Zarqawi, who hasn't, to do so. Is Osama out of cards? Of course, it wouldn't be a bad thing if he is.

However, the record of the Bush administration is one which should give one cause to be jaded. Comparing Bush and his neoconservative aides to Aesop's boy who cried wolf is an insult that unfortunate lad. After all, he was just an annoying fool trying to have fun at the expense of his neighbors; it wasn't part of an elaborate scheme to steal anyone's oil well.

Personally, I have no doubt that the Bushies knew very well that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction or ties to al Qaida prior to the invasion. They politicized intelligence, rewriting reports to make them sound like the situation was more urgent and more certain than the facts justified. This was the mission of the Office of Special Plans (OSP), directed out of the Pentagon by Douglas Feith. And then there is the politicized terror alerts, usually adumbrated by Mr. Ridge, which came on cue after a spat of negative news. The threat was never very specific, just something attributed to "chatter".

The problem for us Americans living under Bush is that we would be foolish to discount the capabilities of terrorists to wreck havoc and we would be just as foolish to believe anything Bush or his surrogates tell us.

I short, I don't know whether there's anything to this or not.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:57 AM
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31. Paddling over on a palm tree
I suppose? Can't imagine he'll be able to get a plane flight over here. How would the world's most wanted man get a hop on any plane to the US. It's just not plausible, yet it's somewhat necessary for him to come over here to kill us murrikkkans.

Gyre
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