Bill Maher = the new Dennis Miller

tune out

I see a lot of anti-Maher vitriol on here the past day or so.

Did he say something that was definitively pro-bush or anti-Dem? Or is this just him saying one thing that people don't agree with and all of a sudden him becoming the anti-christ?

He's never been a liberal or a dem. Always a libertarian. I don't know why people would seem to be or feel betrayed by him.

about halfway thru and go vomit.
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Yeah, he was sucking the GOP hog hard.

He now supports the war in iraq and had nothing but praise for Furor Chimpy. He even defended him lying to us about the WMD, and even called * a savant....


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... but the minute he steps out of line by saying that a democracy in Iraq isn't a bad thing, and Bush is largely responsible for it, we call him a traitor.

Are we that anal about ideological purity that we can't even take a little disagreement from a man who never claimed to be a Democrat?

Read his book "When You Ride Alone You Ride With Bin Laden" you'll find out that he is about as left as it comes.

besides, his quote was, in essence, that Bush bungled into success.

...but I also don't think that this makes him Dennis Miller either.

I don't know. I didn't hear what he said but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is he said that was so bad.

It's like saying the war is a good thing because it helped get rid of Saddam, thus ignoring the actual cost of that war (which would include the human cost), also ignoring the hypocrisy of not even mentioning arguably worse dictatorships then Saddam's, also ignoring the real reasons for that war. That's a bit disappointing coming from Maher.

credit even if democracy breaks everywhere is like a rapist raping a woman and because this poor lady is raped she is rushed to the hospital, and because she is rushed to the hospital they do test and find out she is in the early stages of cancer and the cancer is caught early enough and she is saved, and then the doctors, the lady and the judicial system all call the rapist a hero! WTF?

but we should be unified on our critism of how Bush is doing it. Offer an alternative that promotes humane, internationalistic goals, full employment, a true sharing of power and promoting a wiser exit strategy.

anything horrid in the quotes I have seen so far. The fact is that the neocons identified an area of the world that right wing USA had fucked up big time. As to if it had to be a war... that is open for discussion. But it is done and you cannot go back and as long as "democracy" is how they want to land this big fish of theirs... so be it.

History will tell the truth. The myth-making is an attempt to undo the myths of the Islamist fundamentalists that the original American right wing & big oil support of strongmen has created.

History is not so concerned with the dreams of the people that allowed something to start and something to finish. It will tell the tale of USA fixing a horrid problem it caused in the world by ignoring Liberals (who screamed out for true democracy everywhere) for such a long time. If you are a liberal.. you are already on the ground. You can ignore this 'soft landing' of this myth. History books will be on your side. History books inside each and every one of those new democracies. What do you think? They are going to all have founding-fathers named Wolfowitz?

Relax. At least the major fighting is over. The stronger the democracies.. the less the terrorists will try and fuck it up. Bush no more started democracy in Palestine or Lebanon than the sun shining every day. USA has just declared "uncle" when it comes to owning all the oil or all the wealth in the middle east. The USA finally agrees that wealth should go into school books and streets and universities.

...if that's what they had. To state or imply in ANY way that Bush has given democracy to Iraq...well, that's outright fucking ridiculous.

... the argument "Fine we have a democracy, now what are we and they going to do with it."

but if he was actually praising Bush as some intellectual genius I would like to hear the opinions of some tens of thousands of dead Iraqis.

That is just the normal hysterics of my fellow DUers who hear something that doesn't follow the normal DU line. He has basically said that Bush has succeeded by fucking up all the way.

He rants ALL THE TIME about how Bush is retarded and so are ALL of his followers. Like I have said, if people would read his book they would find out that he is very much a liberal, pro women's rights, pro environment, anti corporation, anti imperialist, etc.

It was a sarcastic joke with lots of irony then. In addition, the book is far from closed on Democracy in Iraq and at what cost.

I find arguments over fictional ideas and fabricated unfounded non-facts fascinating, which is essentaily what this whole argument is about.

Not only is Maher wrong, he's defending something that simply has not happened, and does not exist.

But perhaps I am wrong.

Enlighten me again how the death of 100,000 Iraqis and the Deaths of 1500 Soldiers, plus the criminal actions of this Crime Family have resulted in "Democracy." How it has all been "Worth it in spite of it all/"

Should be fascinating to hear.

I think he was just playing a role.

Are they anti-feminist? Bill is. He constantly puts down women, in his private life, and covertly on the air. He LIKES Ann Coulter.

being a liberal, I would like to see how.

what he is and that is not a liberal and not being a liberal makes one very not perfect.

famous get to make (of both sexes). Who gives a shit. There is a fan club of the hot & bothered and (hot & flushed) around Rumsfield too. Who cares...

was wrong. I still stand by my assessment of BM.

real. As long as there are no children involved...who cares.

man and he is not, he is a sexist man, and it concerns me that people cannot see that. I think it is harmful.

seem to adore him. The only other person who is more adored would be Nancy Grace.

Anyway - none of my business.

several (pre-9/11/01) years ago in the United terminal. He dropped off one chick at one gate. Then he wandered around for awhile till the plane arrived with the replacement.

Not that there's anything wrong with that... but the ladies in question looked more like strung-out waitress/actress/model types, than, say, Janeane Garofalo. I don't think Bill is looking for an equal, much less a challenge, in the babe department.

More proof that MoDo was right in that column of hers of several weeks ago.

Keeps things interesting.

to me. I'm in California, so I'll be catching tonight's show soon.

He still bashes *, but says that maybe indirectly the war in iraq might have cause the middle east to reform to democracy. Of course that was last week with last weeks news , apparently he had not looked at the situation deeply. Lets see what he says tonight. He said conservative guest didn't like to come on his show because the audiance was always very liberal, tonight he is asking for a conservative audiance to give fair time. He always plays the devils advocate presenting the 'other side', so lets see what he does.

but call me crazy, with all the right wing political shows, and pseudo-newscasts already available out there. I would like to see him just stay left. Let them complain that the show is too liberal. I don't care if I ever see a republicrat on his show again. Its one of the few left wing media venues we have available. wish he'd make better use of it.

I've been watching him for well over 10 years back from politically incorrect on. I agree with him sometimes and disagree with him others, but never would I have ever considered him liberal, left leaning, or progressive.

even a reasonably similar point on the Political Continuum. Poor Bill Maher is his own worst enemy.

He's the kind of guy who will ask a long winded, detailed question one minute before the end of class in summer school (no bell to dismiss).

Yep, he will not be treated even "close" to as chummy and cozy as Dennis Miller. Why? Because the RW republicans hold a grudge ... being true to their mascot's characteristic - they also NEVER forget. :-)

Bill best decide who's funding his gravy train and attempt to control the frequency of his multiple personality shifts of political punditry.

but if he calls anyone a idiot or moron for supporting a good cause, I might end up tuning out. Bill really needs to stop drinking that GOP kool-aid, doesn't he know it's not good you.

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Israel is dead set on destroying Iran's nuke sites and they will.
When that happens all hell will break loose and Bush will screw it
up bigtime. A fool is a fool is a fool, that never changes.

Maher will then begin attacking Bush again.

Sorry, if that offends the ideologues...

I find it hard to accept based on the little I have watched.

Hitler was was doing swell things in Russia, because, well, let's face it, Stalin was a bastard to the peasants there


er...not that I'm equating Maher with Churchill

He is trying to get conservative audience and guests...I think he might be just trying to get people from other side to come on show. For awhile it was mostly on the left and people from the right didn't want to come. His methods stink though and lately I have been pissed at him.

Miller and Maher which one can laugh at himself ?
which one seems most genuine in thier rants about what they like or dislike ?
Which one do you think is warm,fair and a truly funny person ?
I go with Jon Stewart.

he's just a little confused. Stewart on the other hand, is a genius.

on edit: Stewart is not only a genuis, he is patriot as well.

He was ten times worse last week, this week he was alright.

broke my heart. It aches every time I see his name next to CNBC ooze by on the Preview Channel or in the local listings or something. I can't believe Bill is going the same route. Denial?