If only Al Gore would move to Connecticut and

run for the senate against Lieberman. If wishes were fishes....

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Buh bye :hi:

.. I'd hope he'd move to Delaware :)

What a neat idea!! A sure winner and there would be a real DEMOCRAT in one of the States next door to mine, where we luckily have two DEMOCRATIC Senators.

Wish I had thought of this one!

after getting the Dem nomination in 2000 was to choose Joementem as his VP candidate. The second thing I remember is that while he owed a lot to Bill Clinton, such as being choosen for VP candidate in 1992, he turned his back on Clinton after the convention in 2000. Some say that the polls indicated Clinton fatigue was a factor. Pollster Mark Penn said it wasn't. Stan Greenburg said it was, and Greenburg won, as he was hired by Gore to be his pollster. Greenburg also had been canned by Clinton after the Gingrich revolution of 1994, so he might have been totally unbiased.
Whatever, this is what I remember most about Gore.

my bar is set. I think it would take a big name to defeat Lieberman.

Is that he won, or at least had the brother of the guy running for president steal a state for him

nuff said

Yer probably gonna wanna find somebody from the NE at the very least.

join together as one when it is time to negotiate. Remember how America came together under Bush and did not have much of an opposition after 9/11? It is what humans do.

Relax. Lieberman will be back when he can. Until then, and unless you want to loose the whole Jewish vote and NY State in the next president election..relax.

It has nothing to do with you. It is their own shit they have to go through. Expect them to act like true democrats and vote for what is best for them. It is only the Repukes who want people to vote for things that go against their best interest. We are Democrats. We have a big tent and we are going to keep that plurality based on empathy. Otherwise the WH will have us all sliced into little tribal fiefdoms bickering amongst each other and targeting people who think a tiny bit different that us.

Relax. We are not repukes. Lieberman will come back to his amazing voting record in a while. Until then.. let him be human and follow his heart and the welfare of the people he loves. You would do exactly the same thing... if you were in his shoes. If the life of your family depends on it...you would make a deal with the devil or follow a duck to mars. Relax. Lieberman is not a problem at all.

We cannot loose any of the Senators we have. We need every single one of them. Don't fall into the Karl Rove trap and start thinking it is great fun to scapegoat one person for your frustration. Use your empathy to understand that Lieberman has to go until Israel & Palestine get the deal that will be permanent peace. Any human being would act the same way. He doesn't get to deal with a State Department run by Democrats...he has to deal with Rice and Rove and all the neocons. Relax. It will not kill us and if you can learn how to not channel the GOP meme of "targeting anyone different than you for destruction" we will all have learnt something and be the stronger for it.

he is throwing too many lives into the fire. If this was just another repuke administration, like Ford's or Eisenhower's, I could. But this is the most right-wing, divisive, hateful fascists in the history of this country. Joe is a big part of the problem. I have three draft-age kids who are a lot more important to me than they are to others, apparently. He is validating the deaths of American young people as well as those from other countries. It has everything to do with me.

I am Jewish, I am from New York, and I don't want him. I have two children of draft age and I don't want them to fight for the Middle East, including Israel. I voted for both Democratic Senators from New York and Connecticut can learn, too.

My blood pressure goes up with this fucking nonsense. He is not representing the interests of the Democrats. Al Gore would be a great Senator from Connecticut, but if necessary, find another good Democrat...and that doesn't include Lieberman!

needs to clarify on that.

I don't think the Israeli Hawks want a single US soldier in the their neighborhood. I mean.. how much has Sharon kept away from Rice & Bush? You do not know what Lieberman is saying.. he may be saying to Bush - stay out of it..stay out of it..

Israeli hawks are not stupid. That last thing they want is an insurgency in Beirut, Syria, Jordan and Palestine. I would assume that Lieberman is going to be the loudest voice telling Bush to stop it with the wars!!

The whole point is that they have a chance at peace..yes? The whole point is that all of the hawks are gunning for peace. A deal with Iran..with Europe. And most important a deal with Palestinians. The rush to get out of GAZA... and hand over settlements that are 4 or 5 years old make it obvious how important the momentum to peace is.

I for one would be very angry with anyone who voted for the draft. I do think that it is a threat to Iran (because they know that USA cannot fight a war with them and their 70 Million people unless their is a draft). I would say that 95% the draft is just propaganda to scare Iranians into handing over centrifuges.

But then.. I do not have draft age kids. Touche. I say that we ask Lieberman and all the others if they will support a draft. Since the cat is out of the bag and we are supposed to sort of believe an invasion of Iran will take place in June.... we have every right to ask how they will vote. But getting rid of Joe will not make peace happen in Palestine faster or make the Iranians deal. So keep that in mind too.

just who is going to "clean up" the ME....the Polish soldiers? The so-called "coalition of the willing" is falling apart. Joe needs our kids for his private war and you know it. He has never said to bush to stop the wars...if he had, bush wouldn't have kissed him. Getting rid of joe for a real Democrat sends the message that we won't put up with a traitor to our liberal ideals....we liberals don't invade countries unless attacked by them, remember? The Saudis did 911 not Iraq. He is also waffling on social security. The only other complaint joe has is with dirty movies. Give me a break.

That it is over with the wars and a permanent peace in Israel (which is actually a democracy with an active opposition) and Palestine that lasts 200 years may be at hand.

Europeans are also all talking to Iran and saying "why do you need the bomb?". And Iran goes because Israel has one" and then the Europeans go "but what scenario do you have that Israel will use its bomb on you?" and they say "well" and Europe says "well there is no chance that Israel will use the bomb on Iran because Israel does not want any territory in Iran". And then the Europeans say "so why do you need the bomb? - the only time Israel would use a bomb on you is if you attacked Israel" and Iran goes "who knows what Israel will do?" and Europe goes "Israel as no ambition beyond where it is right now and negotiating a peace -Israel has never said anything about Iran not existing".

Anyway.. that is what is going on right now. And I believe fully that in order to get what Israel needs (perhaps Rice has to stay 1000 miles away from negotiations .. perhaps that is what the Israelis need from the WH) Lieberman will have a pound of flesh extracted. No doubt that Karl Rove will not be counting favors at this point.

And if 'talking about the draft' is not part of trying to get Iran to go "this bomb is not as important as we thought..they even say we can have Uranium for Reactors...we just cannot have nuclear bombs". And it goes on like that.

If you don't think this peace...this peace that the mommies in Palestine just as much as the ones in Israel (not to mention Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt want) is not important..then I don't know.

Go on and think that the Israeli Hawks in the Senate & Congress have big huge fangs... and spread it around the world... will help the peace process.

I'm just saying we gotta not do the most obvious thing. We have another year to see if good stuff keeps happening in the Middle East (because Arafat finally died and not for any other reason). So before you get rid of the guy... know for sure if he is playing the role of a Democratic trator...or perhaps a hero.

Lieberman's job may be to keep the WH as far away from the negotiations with Iran or with Palestine as is humanly possible. Cause George Bush is stupid enough to see "Peace Prize" and walk right in to what is playing out pretty successfully in Palestine so far... and mess it the fuck up.

Who knows.. maybe SS is a neocon ruse to keep George Bush 'on the road' for the next year. If you told me who may be using who: Rove using neocons or neocons using Rove...I don't have enough info to answer that. But all my money would be on the "sons of David".

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don't tell anyone i said that.

in the military. I cannot find any record of his four children serving in the military. I do find that he gets large donations from war industry corps. such as General Dynamics. So if I have this right, it is okay for OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN TO DIE as long as he and his are safe and are rich from war-profiteering.

& mirrors to confuse the Iranians & Palestinians "crazy, crazy-huts hawkish USA" then I fully expect all congressmen and rich people to have their kids in the lottery. That whole will be the first to be plugged by the very, very angry young and their even more angry parents across the USA. We no longer live in times where power will be deferred to - the anti-war movement will suss out the George W Bushes of the world and force them into combat... because we know that will be the quickest way to end the love of war.

I do not believe it will happen. The Repukes see an empire of their own and to have 'opted' into a draft and perpetual war will kill any hope of that. More likely that they will bully all smaller countries (as they think Wolfie is up to at the WB) into spending more money on the military and then..the draft is by insisting all trading partners of the USA have a certain size army per population that the Empire can plug into.

I do not think you or I have any idea what is going on behind the scenes with the negotiations in Israel & Iran. These are important things (for their resolution alone will end the need for an immediate draft). Do you see what I am saying?

Lieberman does not think "a tiny bit different" from me. He has my vote for King of Israel.
He does NOT have my vote for anything else. I will gladly support a valid progressive candidate in a primary against him.
Why should we wait for him to turn into a real democrat, when we can have a real democrat who does not confuse his priorities?

Big Tent. Big Tent = pluracy of the vote. Of course Bush & his sociopathic creeps will do whatever they can to win the Jewish vote away from the Democrats (in any percentage at all). They have already targeted the African American vote (through churches and will be happy if they win only 3% of the AA vote that way).

I just think we should STAND OUR GROUND as to who we are. If you are a human being who believes that some wealth should be transfered to the government and the less fortunate by way of programs like public schools.. you are under my tent.

So I empathize with Lieberman even though I do not understand his votes. He is somewhere else. I cannot go there. I do not come from the same place he does. And I know the need to be a hawk on Israel ends when a permanent and lasting peace is found between the Palestinians & the Israelis. The aid alone to the Palestinians will be incredible.

So I hope. And I understand that Joe Lieberman's behavior these days has nothing to do with me. And that his success (the success of all the people 'gunning' for peace in that part of the world) may the the surest way for the USA to resort to a draft. And I don't want to see a draft.