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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:45 PM
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WTF! Why did the Senate Dems roll over on the "Terri Held Hostage" Bill?
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 07:47 PM by jefferson_dem
It passed today via an unrecorded voice vote.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=598520

What the hell!? What gives with the lapdog posture of our proud "opposition party" on this important question (in terms of constitutional principles of "the rule of law" and the balance of power in addition to the obvious questions of family and life/death)? I'm ashamed.


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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:46 PM
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1. More important question...
Why did they roll on the bankruptcy bill...
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:00 PM
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11. even more important, why have they rolled so easily for so long on...
so many important issues.

fuck 'em all. 'cept maybe Boxer and still Kerry, he's still fighting in the trenches and a smattering of others here and there that end up meaning Nothing
most don't represent Anything worthy except their MSM compliance.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:03 PM
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13. Bush/Right to Life agreed on a"pull the plug over family objections"99 Law
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:07 PM
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15. hell if I know... that's certainly a 'talking point' ain't it?
but who can say it where and to what audience and get it out?
I don't think CNN, for ex. is 'Live', do you?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:14 PM
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18. They did during the House Dem press conference today.
What Dem Senators were even there today?

"WASHINGTON — With the sparsest of attendance, the Senate unanimously passed on Sunday a bill to try to help brain-damaged patient Terri Schiavo (search) by pushing her case into a federal court for consideration.

"sparsest of attendance" - is that Bill Frist by himself? what does that mean?

It doesn't sound like all 44 Democratic Senators were sitting there nodding "yes".

The Republicans are running this show and they are fighting the Courts.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:19 PM
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19. I think you make a good point. From the linked article:
The plan had been for the House to act first and then the Senate to pass the House version. But with Democrats forcing a delay in the House, the Senate went ahead and passed its own, identical, version by unrecorded voice vote.

How many Dem senators were even there? I know mine wasn't--he's in the Middle East! So is Boxer and so are a number of others, including Reid.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:27 PM
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22. this trick has been played before, hasn't it?
big issue up just after some airline tickets with Dems take off somewhere...

forgive my personal RAM limitations. Hopefully someone can run with more info on this.

clock sucking bastards.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:45 PM
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25. Yes indeed it has--and recently by the House as they tried to
work this thing through in the dead of night. It's one of their favorite ways of operating.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:49 PM
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27. The plans to go to the mid east are old and have been in place
for some time. Some went back to the district on Thursday night./ They have appointments and schedules to attend to in their district. Some people like me get very upset when the congressperson has to cancel appointments and meetings that have been carefully set up for them. I get screaming fits. Find out how many Dem's were on the floor. and don't put it past the repukes to lie to the American people about the unanimous vote. Also how many voted, including repukes. Never believe the press or republicans. McCain should be put in jail.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:00 PM
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30. confirmed: This isn't about Teri at all. ha! didn't give that a seconds
thought.
It's about Bush's 'Ownership Society', he now wants own our very souls and private decisions all in the name of the Lard from Pig Farm Crawford.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:49 PM
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37. On MSNBC, Tweety just said the unanimous vote was "three or
four" Senators. I know Frist and Santorum were there because I saw them on C-span 2.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:26 PM
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21. Thanks for the links. I searched like a madman for info since i heard
this mentioned by Wasserman (FL) at today's press conference. She's the only person i've heard mention this major league flippity-floppity.
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HarrietBrown Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:34 PM
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35. Why isn't EVERYONE mentioning this? I've not been following
too closely today, but friends from TX sent me the Hudson story last night--shouldn't this be big in respect to the Schiavo story? I mean--my God--the Bush hyprocrisy here is even bigger than his usual BS. He let a baby die--you'd think his religious right would be insane over that one! The mother says (just like Schiavo's parents) that the baby was responsive. Why is she different? Because she can't pay for care? It all boils down to money for the Bushies, I guess.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:08 PM
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16. Boxer is all alone, in my opinion.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:28 PM
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23. Don't forget our man, Dick Durbin. Man on a serious mission!
:spank:
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:47 PM
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2. Many on this board have argued...
That it is best for the Dems to stay out of the limelight and this way it looks like the Repukes interefere with peoples personal lives. The courts will decide this ultimately not the legislative branch.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:49 PM
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4. That better be the case because right now it just looks like rollover
and let the repukes do as they please, no fight.

There must be a good reason for this.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:53 PM
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5. I understand possibly rolling over on this issue...
But I won't forgive the Dems for rolling over on the Bankruptcy Bill..... There is simply no excuse in my opinion.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:11 PM
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17. Then they should have ABSTAINED
They didn't. They went along with the idiocy.
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:48 PM
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3. Because
we can stop it in the house. It only needs to be held up a few hours.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:54 PM
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6. huh?
Would you like to explain that?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:57 PM
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8. It was my understanding that it can only be delayed in the House,
I don't see how we can stop it.
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:22 PM
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20. We don't need to stop it
just keep it from being voted on till late monday or tuesday and there will be no need for a vote.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:58 PM
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29. If they can put together a quorum by tonight
I don't see how it can be delayed any more.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:58 PM
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10. Bullshit, it will pass handily in the House
The Senate was the only body that could have held it up any more than a few hours.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:02 PM
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12. when was the last time something important was 'stopped in the house'
I heard that about the bankruptcy bill, mmm, year or so ago, maybe less. No one really believed it could be passable, so close to reality, then.

but it is.
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cdb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:54 PM
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7. its
bullshit centrist can't we all get along policies. no spine.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:57 PM
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9. cuz it's a not-terribly-important wedge issue. . .
that ChimpCo would just love to see Dems tearing out each other's throat over?

:shrug:
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:04 PM
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14. that's the ticket...
and we keep buying it over and over again for the same god damned show.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:37 PM
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24. They DIDN'T Roll - They Didn't Give The Repunks Any Ammo
Apparently polling is going 80-20 in favor of keeping the tube away and not having Congress intervene -- but what Reid did with the voice vote was to ensure only Repunk fingerprints are on it. This is on DeLay's and Frists' evil souls now, and America knows it, even through the sad-ass media that we have. THAT is what the Dems did tonight.

Besides, unless the Federal courts really want to get messed up in upturning precedent on an issue they want no part of, I frankly don't expect them to do anything when the case finally gets to their benches. I've been wrong before, but this looks pretty cut-and-dried. I wouldn't even expect the Supremes -- other than Scumbag Scalia and his lap dog Clarence -- to touch it.

That we're talking about political impacts of this is tragic, but at least it's the right political move.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:47 PM
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26. The Supremes have refused it twice now, I believe.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 08:47 PM by janx
Once when the Schindlers took it there and once when the House leadership tried, in the middle of the night (on Friday?), to send it to a federal court.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:01 PM
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31. They didn't roll on this
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:11 PM
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32. The info in this thread refers to the delay in the House, due to the fact
that there was an initial objection. That is being "resolved" now that the House is in session again.

I was referring to the voice vote in the Senate, which passed without objection.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:13 PM
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33. Oh yeah, sorry
I didn't read your post carefully enough.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:18 PM
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34. No prob, proud2Blib! So many issues. So many layers.
Cheers!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:54 PM
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28. because they are gutless wimps
would be a more comforting reason than the truth, which is that they are part of the same machine as their colleagues, the repukes, who are bent on completing the class war they have been waging for the last three generations.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:37 PM
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36. Not sure, but this looks like it might be the end for me.
After some statements tonight by our opposition "leaders," I'm about to bolt on the Dem Party as it now stands. The fact that the House Dem leadership is letting all of it's members to "vote their conscience" is appalling to me, considering the gross abuse of law that is happening. I've been hanging on by a thread to the party and until the Bankruptcy Bill I was fine, now with that bill and no opposition to this current mockery of the courts, I'm almost done with them.

Wake me up when we get real Progressives in office and not these rollover, corporate whores we have now.
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