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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:12 PM
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A Sunday session in Congress????
You all realize how rare that is?? Congress keeps members in town on weekends at most 2 times a year, and that is usually for major debates -- i.e. war, passing a last minute budget to prevent a shutdown, etc.

This is beyond unreal. They flew 200+ members back to town (WE PAY FOR THEIR TRAVEL) and that beacon of journalism CNN goes live with the debate.

It's days like this when I start doing research on real estate in Ontario -- or maybe Europe.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:13 PM
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1. thank the democrats
these repukes were trying to do this on the sly
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:15 PM
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5. no way, they are milking it for all the publicity they can get
They are meeting on Sunday because they see the matter as urgent, not because they are trying to hide their actions. They are parading in front of the cameras. The Washington Post wrote today of a memo that shows the Republicans see this as a winning political issue to further solidify support among the Christian Right.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:39 PM
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25. then why vote at 12:01a.m.? Why not at 9:00 Monday morning? I agree they
are milking this -- but it's an odd way to do it.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:42 PM
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28. because they want to order the tube connected immediately
They don't want to wait until tomorrow. It's on 24 hour coverage on cable TV. The news channels are live, not running reruns as they usually do on Sunday night. There is nothing hidden about this debate.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:13 PM
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2. Sad
And all for this one case. What about the whole bill in 99 that Bush signed? Good grief. I'm so sick and tired of this crap.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:14 PM
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3. Heading down to Mexico sounds better and better...


You're absolutely correct - this is an outrage and completely surreal.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:16 PM
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6. Surreal is the PERFECT word. n/t
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:14 PM
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4. and on the sabbath.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 11:15 PM by Goldeneye
Those heathens.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:17 PM
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7. So they've flown them all back?
Well, that's lovely.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:19 PM
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10.  Repub. Rep. from FL actually agreeing with hubby--says Congress is
interfering with States rights.

She said she is familiar with the case,--has been close to it
we are second guessing Terri, her docs and the FL courts.
the eyes we see following on TV is almost 5 years old and are primative reflexes-15 years of her suffering in this vegitative state is enough!!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:22 PM
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13. That's what I would think a traditional conservative position would be.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 11:23 PM by deadparrot
These are people I can respect...ones who stand by their beliefs and don't just toe the party line. I don't care what party they're from. When people blindly follow their leader, that's when it gets dangerous.

Go, you renegade Republican!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:20 PM
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12. yes, they are coming onto the floor one by one
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:18 PM
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8. Do we pay for their travel?
I was under the impression that the congresscritters have a set travel budget, and anything over that comes out of their pockets.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:24 PM
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15. They never get close to that "budget"
It gets set so high that they never have to worry about it. And if this one trip is what puts them over the top, I guarantee that they will add some money to it as part of a supplemental budget.
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:18 PM
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9. WTF!!! we paid for their travel for this "CRAP" not the woman the event
THE REPUGS SHOULD HAVE TO PAY THE BILL FOR TRAVEL
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:12 AM
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47. One Rep estimated this little limelighting episode will cost

the taxpayers $4M-$5M tonight.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:20 PM
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11. Politics. Drip, drip, drip. I wonder if the Republicans
would have done this if Terri had a living will.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:24 PM
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14. Repug Roy Blunt---MO says there is a conflict. Well, Mr. Roy-the FL
courts have decided this outcome several times!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:29 PM
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17. John Conyers MI, says we are casting aside of the separation of powers
Said we are sending it to a preselected Fed court and taking it away form the FL court.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:30 PM
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19. Conyers says the Reps have distributed talking points--"pro life base
will be excited" He is really onto the Repugs!!
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:48 PM
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or if she was a member of a minority group n/t
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:48 PM
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dupe
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 11:51 PM by KaliTracy
edit: dupe
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:28 PM
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16. Not just ANY Sunday. Palm Sunday.
I heard Weldon earlier today make a POINT of that. Ugh.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:46 PM
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31. so this historical moment will allow Teri to rise above her PVS
and suddenly be coherent and speak again.... :shrug:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:47 PM
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33. Right. Soon she will have a new career
as a speechwriter for *.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:50 PM
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35. LOL...
maybe that's the key.... maybe she's channeling through the current speechwriter/s now.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:29 PM
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18. They don't have to face people at home about Social Security
this weekend.

I'm sure it seemed like a gift from heaven!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:32 PM
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20. Conyers said this bill will manipulate the court system.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:32 PM
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21. Conyers said Congress is ignoring its own rules
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 11:33 PM by rodeodance
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:36 PM
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23. Tom Cole, Repug from OK--says a life is in a balance (Terri.S)--says
their is a conflict of interest in this case that is why they want this bill passed.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:36 PM
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22. They are also voting at 12:01 am.... yet ANOTHER late night session
Back-room dealing a Capitol trend
GOP flexing its majority power

By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff | October 3, 2004

First of three parts

WASHINGTON -- Dismayed that the technology company Accenture had located its headquarters in Bermuda, thereby avoiding paying hundreds of millions of dollars in US taxes, the House Appropriations Committee voted 35-17 this summer to strip the firm of a $10 billion Homeland Security contract.

It was a rare moment of bipartisan agreement and an important victory for those who decry corporate tax loopholes. But it didn't last long. The Rules Committee, the all-powerful gatekeeper of the Republican leadership, prevented the measure from reaching the House floor. In a further show of its power to pick and choose what the full House can vote on, the Rules Committee allowed the House to vote on a ban on future Homeland Security contracts to overseas companies -- but let the $10 billion flow to Accenture, which spent $2 million last year lobbying the government.

The Accenture episode is emblematic of the way business is conducted in the 108th Congress, where a Republican leadership has sidelined legislation unwanted by the Bush administration, even when a majority of the House seemed ready to approve it, according to lawmakers, lobbyists, and an analysis of House activities. With one party controlling the White House and both chambers of Congress, and having little fear of retaliation by the opposing party, the House leadership is changing the way laws are made in America, favoring secrecy and speed over open debate and negotiation. Longstanding rules and practices are ignored. Committees more often meet in secret. Members are less able to make changes to legislation on the House floor. Bills come up for votes so quickly that elected officials frequently don't know what's in them. And there is less time to discuss proposed laws before they come up for a vote.

"There is no legislative process anymore," said Fred Wertheimer, the legendary open-government activist who has been monitoring Congress since 1963. "Bills are decided in advance of going to the floor."

more: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/03/back_room_dealing_a_capitol_trend/


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October 11, 2004
Corruption of Congress
Whichever political party has a majority in a given elected body also has greater power - typically the power to set agendas, control committees, etc. Naturally such power can be seriously abused and there are plenty examples of all parties abusing such power from time to time. Recently, though, Republican abuses of such power have been egregious.

Keven Drum summarizes some highlights of a three-part series that appeared in the Boston Globe:

For the entire 108th Congress, just 28 percent of total bills have been open to amendment — barely more than half of what Democrats allowed in their last session in power in 1993-94.

Congressional conference committees, made up of a small group of lawmakers appointed by leaders in both parties, added a record 3,407 "pork barrel" projects to appropriations bills for this year's federal budget, items that were never debated or voted on beforehand by the House and Senate and whose congressional patrons are kept secret. This compares to just 47 projects added in conference committee in 1994, the last year of Democratic control.


more: http://atheism.about.com/b/a/118147.htm


LAME DUCK CONGRESS VOTES DEC. 7TH
Land Rights Network

Dec. 2, 2004

Congress Sets Another Lame Duck Session

Late Night, Back Room, Rushed Decisions Dangerous


It’s hard to believe but Congress is coming back for another Lame Duck Session December 7th. Pearl Harbor Day. Another possible sneak attack.

Action Items Listed Below

All landowners, ranchers, inholders and other allies must work hard to make sure there is no sneak attack on your rights next week.

more: http://www.freedomwriter.com/issue32/am2.htm

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Congress votes to ban paintball in US
Jerry A. Gaston
April 2004

In a very late night session, under the cover of darkness, the United States Congress voted to ban paintball in the United States with the passage of the "America Safety Act." Although, the bill was sold to congress as an anti-terrorism bill, certain parts of the bill ban air powered rifles and airguns that fire objects at a rate of speed over 100 mph.

The 313-100 vote, with 22 abstentions, was rushed through congress and hurried into law. The bill now goes to the Senate for a final vote. The bill not only bans paintball, but allows the FBI to spy on paintball players secretly. Anyone that uses an air-powered gun will be secretly spied on, without the approval of a judge, without probable cause.

more: http://www.paintballtimes.com/Article.asp?ID=156

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:38 PM
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24. Wamp, Repug from TN-- rejects the notin that this is about politics-says
it is about an ideology--the culture of life!!!!!!!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:42 PM
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26. Dem. Levin MI, says Congress is changing rules for ONE case!! he is
upset. allowing the rule of law in this country to be twisted in the wind!! Bravo, brave Mr. Levin. good one.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:42 PM
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27. um, yes. When they stop cutting benefits for the poor, to our veterns, to
people who have gone BANKRUPT trying to get through a catestrophic illness *then* I will believe that this is not a political matter. The whole thing reeks.



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:44 PM
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29. Repug McHenry, NC--says we will be judged by the least amonst us-
Asks how shall be be judged as a civil society. says it is a women's life to live.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:45 PM
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30. McHenry is a real thug!!!--"a women's right to life"--good grief!!
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 11:45 PM by rodeodance
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:47 PM
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32. Dem-says Congress does not agree with next of kin--so they make this
bill Bobby Scott,--says we should honor the rule of allow.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:48 PM
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34. Mark Kennedy, Repug MN--we will be judged by how we treat those
who cannot care for themselves. Disabled.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:52 PM
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36. NC, just flew in on a plane--What will it cost $ 4-5 MILLION-asks how kids
will go to bed tonight hungry and how this money could have helped them.
Asked where the compassion was last week when the Black Causus tried to equalize the health care between black and white. Asks where the campassion was!! Says you will not hear it. Good for him!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:53 PM
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37. Mel Watt was the Dem who said will cost $4-5 MILLION on this case
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:56 PM
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38. Stensenbrener, Repug, WI saying animals have more rights in FL than
Terri S. has.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:58 PM
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39. Dem Barney Frank corrected Repug from WI--
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:59 PM
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40. MO, Dem Cleaver--talking of the "shame' of this debate!!-- he is on a roll
A thoughtless word coming from the mouths of people in this floor like "kill"---it is shameful.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:00 AM
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41. Maryland Dem opposes but did not speak
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:01 AM
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42. Dem said we were all snatched out of our houses of worship to be here.
Does not know why we are here!!!
She is hilarious DEm of Indiana--says this is about meddling!! by the Congress.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:02 AM
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43. Dem -Ohio Kaptur--rises in opposition to this bill! --this decision does
not belong in this Congress!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:05 AM
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44. Dem Schults, from FlORIDA laid out comments/claims that the Repugs are
trying to say are true when indeed are false. Good for her!! She is calling the Repugs on the carpet for all the exaggerations (lies).
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:06 AM
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45. Dem, Speaker Reed is traveling overseas and not able to be here
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:10 AM
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46. Dem Hoyer Maryland giving a somber talk--had not expected to be back
in this House. Says we are a nation of lawe but is concerned we are no longer a nation of laws when Congress takes the Judicary things that are theirs.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:13 AM
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48. Hoyer in Minority WHip--whow what a speech--"you will let me go to my
rest and be with God-if you love me. This is not from Terri S. but from some advocate of Terri S.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:15 AM
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49. Right - I doubt any dog or cat in FL has EVER been given 15 yrs

of due process in an end-of-life decision case. So what's his point?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:17 AM
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50. it did sound rediculous as I was listening
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:20 AM
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51. Majory Leader DELAY-says SOME have tried to make this a partison
bill!!--by God, this man is a wacko!!
for 58 long hours her mouth has been parched--hunger pains, but she is still alive!!!!! She has not been forsaken.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:21 AM
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52. Haskert tried to get a unnanious vote but it goes to an electronic vote.
Whow--that was close-he went So fast!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:22 AM
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53. 15 minute vote.
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