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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:18 PM
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DeLay's Goal - Impeachment of Federal Judges
I came across this article from a few years ago. Tom DeLay's heartfelt concern over Terri Shiavo is a disguise for his true motive - he plans on using her to bolster his impeachment plan for federal judges. If today's ruling by the Florida federal judge deems Congress's actions unconstitution (as it should), DeLay will have the perfect scenario to implement a takeover of the Judicial branch. He may succeed this time considering the volatility of this case.

But this was not a strict constitutional scholar talking. This was "The Hammer," whose solution to an uncooperative, independent judiciary was to intimidate federal judges with threats.

DeLay rejected the idea that the Constitution limits impeachment of federal judges to "high crimes and misdemeanors," the same standard required to impeach a President. Instead, DeLay argued, whenever a judge ruled in ways that "usurped the powers of Congress," he or she should face impeachment. What DeLay was suggesting was a coup d'etat by members of Legislative Branch against members of the Judicial Branch. It was precisely the kind of politically motivated intimidation of the judiciary that America's Founding Fathers wished to avoid by putting the judiciary safely outside the political arena.

DeLay's position was closer to one put forth three decades earlier when Rep. Gerald Ford was trying to get Supreme Court Justice, William O. Douglas impeached for being too liberal. Back then Ford defended his position this way: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at any given moment of history."

It took the legal wrangling in Florida during the 2000 Presidential race to reveal that DeLay's outrage over judicial activism had its limits. When the Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Gore campaign for a hand recount of contested ballots, DeLay roared that the court had "squandered and violated the trust of the people of Florida in trying to manipulate the results of a fair election." And he vowed, "This judicial aggression must not stand."


http://www.alternet.org/story/13120
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:18 PM
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1. He better hurry up - his ass is close to being indicted
TIME magazine had a great article about all the shenigans that Delay is trying to get away with
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:22 PM
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3. Yep -
but I bet he really doesn't believe he'll be indicted. He considers himself the most powerful man in Washington; so the reality probably won't hit him until it really happens.

Will check out the article. :hi:
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:28 PM
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4. So, if he is indicted,
does he attempt to have any and all judges impeached that may preside over his ethics circus?

He has an entitlement attitude and a superiority complex surpassed only by the Chimp Himself. Let's just hope that the higher he thinks himself to be, the harder his fall will feel.
His next political race: Tom DeLay for DogCatcher.
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LIBERALNAVYVET Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:42 PM
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10. Delay
Will be sharing a prison cell with Ebbers and Lay very soon. We con only hope!!!!!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:05 PM
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:15 PM
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13. Prison Rape is not funny and not even Delay
deserves to be raped.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:28 PM
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18. Sorry about what I didn't mean to imply.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 04:51 PM by Virginian
He probably will never face any consequences for anything he has ever done or will ever do.
If by some stretch of the imagination, he should do time for anything, he is more likely to be around other White Collar criminals. He would never even see a general prison population. He would still be high in the pecking order.
I would like for him to be in a situation where he is low in the pecking order and cannot intimidate others as he does now. He needs to learn a little humility. I was thinking more of the dominance of "Spike" not anything sexual. I don't know if the term "Bi-atch" would have conveyed my thoughts better than "girlfriend". I just want someone else taking power away from him and ordering him around.
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:13 AM
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19. Check
no biggy. :)
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:21 PM
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2. Now knowing what Ford believed in,
I say that he will not be missed when he croaks(which could be any day now).
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:29 PM
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5. That could be the act that rends the Republic asunder
From out here in the Federated True Blue States of Pacifica (California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia)

Save your Blue Dollars the Federated True Blue States of Pacifica will rise in the West

--<>

The real issue was not slavery - but tariffs; tariffs that were as onerous on the South as the new Bankruptcy Act is on working America.
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Dave Sund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:30 PM
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6. Well, Ford was right about this:
"An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at any given moment of history."

The only two Presidents to ever be impeached, Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, were impeached for frivolous reasons. Johnson for violating a completely unconstitutional law saying Congress had to approve a firing of a Cabinet official. Clinton for, well, you know.

In essence, the motivations for the impeachments were both the same: Congress didn't like either President.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:32 PM
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7. You're referring to Presidents -
can you imagine if legislators have the power to impeach federal judges for frivolous reasons? Just because they don't like their rulings? I am terrified by the thought of this happening.
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Dave Sund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:43 PM
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11. It Won't
Even if the judge is impeached, it would still take 2/3 of the Senate to convict. If the judge isn't convicted, there are no consequences, other than the giant waste of time it would cause in the process of, you know, governing the country. And I suppose that's reason enough, right there.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:44 AM
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20. It's been done before
In fact, the way Marbury v. Madison was decided was influenced by the crusade of Jeffersonians against Federalist judges. I forget the name of the judge that was removed, but I believe he was an associate of Marshall. Marshall had good reason to believe, from the statements of Jeffersonian congressmen, that he would find himself impeached if he ruled against Madison in the case.

If Clinton can get impeached due to a blatant fishing expedition, there's not much to prevent Delay from going after federal judges who have the temerity to fulfill their oaths. Of course, even if they impeached a judge over this case, I suspect they'd be lucky to pull 50 votes in the Senate.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:40 PM
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9. motivations for the impeachments
"In essence, the motivations for the impeachments were both the same: Congress didn't like either President."

And THAT is why we need a Democratic House and Senate in midterms next year.
Just because no one is running for President in 06 doesn't mean we rest. We need to neutralize Bush by getting rid of his congressional cheering section. Get real people in there. Motovate your friends and associates to get out and vote for their Dem candidate for congress and Senate if there is a senate race in your state.

In VA we need to elect Tim Kaine as Governor THIS YEAR, November 2005 and we need to defeat George Allen NEXT YEAR in November 2006. If we don't get rid of Allen in Virginia, the Republicans will start grooming him to be Smirker in Chief. We cannot let this happen!
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:36 PM
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8. DeLay's goal: deflection of attention from is criminal behavior.
In addition to knowing that the brain-dead Americans will fall for anything the RW Taliban says.
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:16 PM
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14. Doesn't it take 67 senators?
Pukes only have 55.
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Dave Sund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:20 PM
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15. Impeachment itself takes 218 Reps.
Conviction takes 67 Senators.
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:31 PM
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17. Yeah
But they'd need to be convicted and removed so they aren't in any danger.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:25 PM
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16. He seems to want them dead
bush, delay and the right wing hatred is already accomplishing that.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:12 AM
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21. Republicans have created a dangererous climate for judges.
The demonizing of judges by Bush, DeLay, and other republicans is going to have an effect on some people who are dangerously unbalanced such as Tim McVeigh, Ann Coulter, and Tom DeLay. Democrats should introduce some bills in Congress to increase security for judges and their families to protect against the increased risks created by those who are demonizing judges.

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