Is this the tipping point?

Is Congress's interference in the Shaivo case enough to anger the country to overthrow the Repubs?

Is the fact that in almost every poll taken, the public thinks Shaivo should have the right to die with dignity enough to awaken the public on the bias of the media coverage?

Is it this enough to instigate a revolt?

I've never seen anything like this in my life. I've never seen the few (the Rpubs and the media managers) so blatantly out of step with America.....never, ever.....

The little bit of media coverage I've seen today makes me sick....the media is acting like they are oblivious to the majority of people in the country...they're pandering to a very, very small segment of the audience.....

this has got to start a revolution....it has to.....

I can still remember the people here who were cocksure (pun somewhat intended) that the Jeff Gannon/Guckert story was the beginning of the end for the Bush Administration.

:eyes:

In order to revolt, TV's need to be turned off. The repubs have a mandate, remember. Any revolt will trigger martial law, and we all end up in camps.

And besides, they have been given such a bad name by the media and the right that disgusted Repubs don't think of them as a possible alternative

They did it to themselves also. They gave the pukes a win last night.

I'm not one to listen to the trash MSM peddles. BUT I'm one FURIOUS Democrat without a party right now.

THIS might be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

If THIS doesn't expose their ultimate hypocrisy on so many levels then what could?

is because I have never seen anything so contrary....so obviously crass...as what took place over the weekend....

In my memory, we as a country have never seen a power play like this before...this is something new...at least to this baby-boomer....

your lips to the god/goddess/superior being's ears

Peace

Hobo

every poll has people agreeing that congress shouldn't have stepped in, but I doubt a large number of those people are outraged that they did.

Most people who are outraged were already outraged at one of the myriad other awful things the republicans have done.

slime.
This is their specialty.
They are playing this as their right to life support.
We must work to get the media to turn on them, that is the only way to beat the repukes

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feel hopeless about the government and don't really care or think they can make a difference. Doesn't matter which party is in power, they're both corrupt.
Nothing will change.

Don't blame the messenger.

I, too, yearn for the Greatest Generation to rise from their hospital beds and the grave to cast out these Two Bit Fuhrers.

But that isn't going to happen. Amerikans have come full circle.

From the people who helped beat Hitler and save freedom

To the Poeple who allowed Hitler to get into power and would destroy it

powers of cognitive dissonance. There has been plenty revealed about this administration over the last four years. Just a tiny fraction of it would have been ammunition to impeach AND remove Clinton.

Every day the evidence becomes more clear. And every day Americans seem to care less.

This is a sophisticated (relative to what Joe Budweiser cares about) point about roles of different branches of the government. Joe Sixpack will care only when he sees direct detriment to him -- not removed by 5 or 2 levels of separation, but directly.

So much for the MSM arguing they are just reporting what we want to hear. MSM claims their bias is based on popular opinion. They are clearly pandering the the Bush/RWingers on this one. They are the minority on this issue so why the excessive coverage?

AValdoux

up just as all the rest.

The republicans have politicized this issue and tried to make it partisan when it really isn't. I think they may have overplayed their hand on this one. It'll be interesting to see what happens after the ruling today.

tipping point but too many dems joined with them. Yet another opportunity lost to frame the debate.

I think it was a good political move.

Let the Reps, who are dying to take the credit for this, actually have this "victory", I think they will find it Pyrrhic in nature and the Dems can sit back and say hey what could we do, they are the ones who pushed for this.

The polls seem to indicate a lot of people dont like this move and they arent going to be blaming Dems for it.

I think this was something we really need to give complete ownership to the Reps on and I think we did that better by not challenging too much but somewhat.

I think if we had drug our feet it would have been less about the Reps boldly overreaching move and more about the battle.

Let the Reps, who are dying to take the credit for this, actually have this "victory", I think they will find it Pyrrhic in nature and the Dems can sit back and say hey what could we do, they are the ones who pushed for this.

Did you notice that a vast majority of Democratic Congress Critters didn't vote?

I sure hope you are correct.

I think the right, reps, Bush are starting to lose a sense of what the people want per se (or at least 50-55% of the people anyways).

They are making a serious of puzzling and poor political decisions and moves in a very short frame of time...the term would be "over-reaching".

I think they are going to be in for a surprise come the 2006 elections in the House and Senate, they may not lose either (although the House is possible) but I think Dems will make gains for sure in both.

I think people are kind of getting tired of the arrogance and self-righteousness of the republicans and I think the payback Bush has been forced to give to the religious right has hurt Republicans as a whole.

This isnt a tipping point in the sense that everything is gravy from now, Bush et al probably has a few more victories up his sleeve, but I think we will now start to see more defeats as well, and a slow evolution to Dems as being more in favor, especially as the whole war on terror starts becoming more "boring" to the people and the whole line of Rep spin on that issue ceases to be effective.

because this is showing that the GOP nanny in Washington would make that impossible now, that prolonging death until all family resources have been used up is their aim, that nobody will inherit a dime from now on because medical science will interfere and keep parents in their 90s alive for as long as possible, tortured for weeks by ventilators and tubes until the body rots from the inside out and all finances and property are gone and the surviving spouse is destitute.

I'm a nurse. I know what goes on in ICUs when family members cling to false hope. To say I am angry at this government interference and power grab away from both family and court is an understatement. I am furious for the position that doctors, nurses, hospice counselors, and families are now in. I sincerely hope this IS a tipping point, that people start to realize these right wing fascist assholes are NOT the Christians of their Sunday school days in the 1950s, and that all they care about is power and money.

This bunch is pure, unadulterated evil.

They are incredibly beholden to the radical right and when those
radicals get their dander up, the republicans can do goofy things.
This has them way off message. And when it all flushes because
they have no case, then watch the RR go nuts.

Congress needs reformed, this is more fodder for our camp. Along with ANWR and Bankrupsy.

"CLEAN CONGRESS: VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN '06" is the mantra that we all need to repeating to everyone who can hear our voice.

This is just part of the scenery on our careening descent into theocratic fascism.

the poster means for idiot bush voters

was obvious. Perhaps my choice of imagery was a bit oblique.

Until then, it will all go down the memory hole.

Things are bad but not beyond salvaging. This revolution would be civil war and we are woefully unprepared to fight a civil war. Since the Bush regime owns the media, we would be branded as domestic terrorists and the army would engage on this basis. They would use this as an excuse to intruduce a total militaristic state. Now is not the time for revolution.

The way to fight is doing exactly as our leaders instruct us to do. If Barabara Boxer calls for a petition, we sign. If Robert Byrd call for us to write letters, we write letters. If Kerry wants us to march in the streets, we march in the streets. By throwing the weight of our support behind our leaders, we give them the power of our voices and when they speak, it will be as the sound of thunder in the halls of congress. Even though things look rough, we are gaining ground. We are not as weak as we appear. Remember the Art of War. If you haven't read this, do so.

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/taoism/suntext.htm

Not all battles are to be fought with the sword.

The Republicans could gut toddlers on camera and still take 51% of the vote with no response from elected Democrats. The entire notion of righteous and wrathful outrage is dead in this country as the American Dream. Give it up, this speculation about revolt and revolution is futile considering any speculation on the point brings hushes from the pacifist bottoms here on this board.

talk show host, said today that he might consider voting for Democrats if the Republicans keep this up!