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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:10 PM
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the truth hurts: america deemed most mentally ill -- (not a joke)
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 01:13 PM by donsu
http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/050322_AmericaRules.htm


The World Health Organization has released a study that verifies the United States is the undisputed champion in mental illness*, dominating various pathologies ranging from anxiety to depression to poor impulse control. We easily vanquished underachieving Old Europe in post-traumatic stress syndrome, bipolar disorder, and bulimia nervosa. Additionally, our magnificent land trounced the supposedly productive Asian countries in both senility and agoraphobia, while coasting past Africa in pediatric hyperactivity. In fact, there would have been a gold medal sweep for America if Ukraine had not cheated by submitting doctored urine to edge us out in substance abuse.

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Any nation that aspires to lead the world in mental illness requires a leader who is unabashedly mentally ill, and in this area America is truly blessed. Rather than educating himself on major issues of life and death by studying, George W. Bush faithfully listens to the voices in his head that have been keenly honed during a lifetime of not studying. Bush takes this approach based on his deeply held belief that only by remaining abjectly ignorant of all relevant facts can he possibly make a fully informed decision. His commitment to prioritizing fantasy over reality is strong and unyielding. The former Texas governor is a one-man psycho ward, and absent his sterling contribution the United States could never have achieved derangement preeminence.

When entering international mental illness competitions, having the Religious Right on your team is like being able to send Babe Ruth up to the plate. The W.H.O. awarded America numerous insanity bonus points for the insistence by our Holy Rollers that the bible must be interpreted literally. The English word gay doesnt mean what it meant just a few decades ago, yet American zealots insist that the meaning of words translated from six thousand year old Hebrew can be defined with precision and should be used to justify persecuting human beings. The continued death struggle by our fundamentalists to stave off the diabolical homosexual agenda of Tinky Winky and SpongeBob SquarePants guarantees that Americas glorious reign as numero uno loco will not end anytime soon.

Projection is a component of mental illness that consists of attributing ones own deficiencies to others. Rush Limbaugh deserves acclaim for enabling America to ace this category by making the observation that women who become liberals choose their philosophy to compensate for being sexually undesirable. The scoring committee noted that this ultimate case of projection came from a guy around whom the Pacific Ocean could not get wet.
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one mentally ill person in a family can cause problems for the entire family

what is a country to do that has a large portion of the citizens mentally ill?

Is this a first? lead did the Romans in eventually but what in hell can sane americans do?

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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:12 PM
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1. I'm not surprised look at the headline the past 2 weeks.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:15 PM
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2. At last!
The problem nobody talks about, America is awash in mental illness.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:15 PM
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3. Shame.
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 01:18 PM by The Witch
Shame on you.

(edit. why is the word form edited out of the url?)
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:35 PM
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10. I didn't edited out anything in the url and shame for what?
nt
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:38 PM
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11. You didn't edit anything.
The URL I wanted to use originally had the words "Inform Yourself" in the URL and somehow it was edited out. Must be some DU structure to prevent bad URLs? Who knows.

Shame for the stigma you're perpetuating, that's what. Follow the link.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:28 PM
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19. I followed the link and the only thing I would do is add a word

untreated

the untreated mentally ill
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 05:12 PM
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44.  ...chill out, ok? Not everyone is as informed ....
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 05:13 PM by NVMojo
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:15 PM
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4. Interesting article. It should comes as no surprise to any of us,
since we all know for sure that 51% of our voting population is nuts as hell!
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Bellamia Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:17 PM
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5. This is scary
but all too true.So, logically , if a President reflects and representsts "the people", it shouldn't come as a surprize we have a bloomin' idiot in the White House. I believe the politically correct term is Meglamaniac. A paranoid one , to boot.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:18 PM
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6. "Its not bragging if its true."
Any nation that aspires to lead the world in mental illness requires a leader who is unabashedly mentally ill, and in this area America is truly
blessed. Rather than educating himself on major issues of life and death by studying, George W. Bush faithfully listens to the voices in his head
that have been keenly honed during a lifetime of not studying. Bush takes this approach based on his deeply held belief that only by remaining
abjectly ignorant of all relevant facts can he possibly make a fully informed decision. His commitment to prioritizing fantasy over reality is strong
and unyielding. The former Texas governor is a one-man psycho ward, and absent his sterling contribution the United States could never have
achieved derangement preeminence.

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dp
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:21 PM
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7. It explains so much.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:59 PM
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22. Oh darn it - I was just going to buy a new Dell computer!
I heard they were the best. it says Cisco, Hewlett Packard, IBM and Sun Micro systems are Blue.

Someone tell me which one of these is the best please? I am really trying to go with buying from blue companies.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:10 PM
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25. Bummer.
I know Dell is red, because they are also Mormon. I can't tell you which is the best out of the blue options, but you might try starting a new thread to catch the attention of the computer geeks. There is also a computer forum, but I don't know how active it is.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 06:29 PM
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35. Buy a Compaq
They're a part of HP. On my seventh & never had a problem ever.


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:23 PM
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8. There is no doubt that a large percentage of Americans
are mentally ill. Their behavior proves that. The two big questions
are (1) what caused it and (2) how can they be cured?
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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:03 PM
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48. At the risk of sounding simplistic, I really think it has to do with ...
1) WHAT WE EAT--omega-3 fatty acids are essential to brain health. Instead we are inundated with eggs, butter, beef grown on corn, which have more omega-6's than they do omega-3's, reversing what our grandparents grew up with. Also the corn and soy oil in EVERYTHING, slow the thyroid and cause depression. B vitamins are also key--instead we eat caffeine and sugar and processed starch, all of which INCREASE our need for B.

2) OUR 24/7 SOCIETY--look at the science. They are telling us our internal clocks NEED a regular routine, rooted in sunshine in the morning and darkness at night. We watch television till all hours, we work under vitamin and sight-destroying fluorescent lights, and we rarely walk in the morning sun. Letting the sun through the iris every morning literally LIFTS seratonin.

3) OUR "INDIVIDUALISTIC" ETHIC--we all move away from our family, which is some kind of support system, even in unhappy circumstances. We have moved away from our churches and other communities, like local political and social groups which give our lives meaning. AND we have imbibed the Horatio Alger myth, causing us to feel responsible for whatever success or failure we achieve, rather than see the mega-economic forces around us. The young girls, striving to look like 6 foot ectomorphs genetically programmed to weigh as little as 100 pounds--this is a set up for failure and self-hatred just as the young college graduate is promised the life of Riley should s/he succeed.

Really, the nutrition (adding a can of sardines and those B capsules, maybe also the calcium series and you can wean yourself off the health-destroying drugs) AND daily walk in the sun can produce magic. I have seen it, from ADD in children to depression in adults. TV watching, especially the news, increases ANYONE's anxiety, if you are at all sentient!

Prayer has been my own salvation. And having a loving relationship, whatever it is.

God is LOVE. And the world is FULL of it. Music, dance, hugs, art, laughter, play, looking at the beauty of the earth--amazingly, scientists are now confirming that ALL of these build happiness.

Wishing you all a blessed Easter season (seven weeks in the Lutheran/R Catholic tradition.)
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yashuryabetcha Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:25 PM
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9. You need to be careful here…
I’m mentally ill. I have Bipolar type I, panic disorder and not a little OCD. I also have a high IQ, am well educated, and have lead a very productive life. I have a few right fundie associates, that use this as a mechanism to disregard my liberal and humanitarian ideals. They can’t out debate these issues with me, so digress and cop that I am “crazy”. It is the nature and the intent of the person that matters. I am not a humanitarian because I am mentally ill. I am a well reasoned person who has a brain chemistry differing from the mainstream. Probably exacerbated at least some by environmental toxins. Now if you want to blame his poor judgment and lack of morality on his blatant stupidity, I would be more inclined to agree, however, I have known many people with very low IQ’s that are gentle and loving. The man lacks any morality period! Don’t start a witch hunt on the mentally ill.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:40 PM
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13. THANK YOU!
Bravo, sir! Thank you so much for helping end the stigma. I am really shocked at how people who are otherwise educated and enlightened still have this view of mental illnesses as character flaws or stupidity. It's shocking and it perpetuates stigma and discrimination. Keep speaking up. If they want a witch hunt, well, there's a witch right here. Bring it.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:55 PM
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21. I think your reading more into this than is intended
Nobody is saying someone is a bad person just because they are 'mentally ill'. But the fact that the US is a festering pool of near insanity should be of concern to everyone. I wish they would have had a determination about this in 1999 and see the difference with now. I think we were a much healthier society mentally before ** came along.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:05 PM
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23. Then why use the word?
Then why is "insanity" used?

And why does insanity have the same qualities as evil?
And why does insanity sound like a scummy pond the way you describe it?

There are two views of mental illness. One is that there is "sane" vs. "crazy." Crazy means completely irrational, loopy, dumbass, possibly violent and sane means the rest of us.

The other view is that mental illnesses are biologically based brain disorders that can happen to anyone regardless of race, gender, economic status, or any other demographic description. There are several distinct mental illnesses - they are not all grouped into the one category of "mentally ill" and people who have mental illnesses can recover and are still people.

Smart people know the difference. But as the above article indicates, the number of smart people are few and far between. So our duty as the smart people is to make sure that our language is not careless so the dumb people are misled. Even if you know that's the case, consider responsibility in your remarks. I'm not advocating censorship, my friend, just responsiblity.

Another point: It's possible that we have the highest rates of mental illness because we have the highest rates of people actually being diagnosed. The stigma is even worse in many other countries. Note that this is just a conjecture and I don't have any data to back it up, however. It's entirely possible that other nations have similar rates of actual illness but don't have the same structures in place to treat people, or don't have the viewpoint that it's okay to seek treatment for mental illnesses.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:28 PM
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29. Look lady
My ex-wife is bi-polar, my son has aspergers syndrome and I have chronic depression and ADHD (among other problems), so don't klecture me about mental illness. You doth protest too much.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:17 PM
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33. It's not meant as a lecture.
Maybe you are being defensive too much.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:02 PM
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38. Cute
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:02 PM
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46. Witch, It is a very sad state of affairs,
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 06:10 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
but if you want to satirise or ridicule those who are criminally crass and sociopathic, you have to use metaphors that are meaningful to them; that they would find insulting - not what a regular person would. In other words, they have a dimension missing from their personality, which you have to allow for. That, unfortunately means that to insult them, for a brief period, you have to abdicate membership of humanity properly so-called, in order to get through to them. And that means you often have to use terms that they consider insulting, for reasons we can only blindly speculate about - not being privy to the secrets of their abysmal amoral thought processes.

Take the term, "bleeding-heart liberal", for instance. If a neocon sought to insult me by using such a term, he would fail miserably, abjectly, because I would take it as a tribute.

On the other hand, if I honoured *him* with such an accolade, he would be absolutely mortified. Well.. certainly he would think I was deliberately insulting him, wouldn't he?

So, although it's natural to be sensitive about such things, it doesn't necessarily mean that the speaker is crass enough, himself, not to understand that mental afflictions and illnesses are as far from being dishonourable as any physical affliction or illness.

A similar situation occurred in Scotland between a neocon-type football-club chairman and a top Dutch footballer. The former squeezed every last pound he could, out of the club, while always baulking at playing the going rate for the players - who, after all, are the club's crown jewels, and have as much right to demand the going rate as any other businessman.

During his insulting wrangling with the Dutchman over a proper rate of remuneration, the latter asked if thought he was a homeless person. Something like that. Of course, the vile press were on the side of the louche and deceitful chairman, and pilloried the player for his words. But they missed the point. The player would have had immeasurably more sympathy for the homeless people sleeping in our shop doorways, than this creature who would have been as responsible as any for the creation of their destitute circumstances.

Psst! Read LdyGuikes' post. I'm not saying anything... "A paranoid fear of a fascist State?" Wow! Who could be so foolish..?







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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:12 PM
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26. I'm bipolar also and not so stupid......

The latests "thoughts" on genetic illnesses like bipolar is that you are born with the gene but something has to "turn it on". Our stres filled country is enough to do that. We can trace this illnessin my family all the way back to my grandmother's grandmother, skipping a generation each time.

Interesting though that my grandmother's grandmother came over from the Ukraine! That is kind of freaky.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:44 PM
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40. Hi yashuryabetcha!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:39 PM
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12. Geeze, am I the only one who reacted by laughing so hard, I had to
wipe tears from my eyes?

HeheHaha -- they're coming to take me away . . .heyhey

Seems rather accurate to me. We manufacture more tinfoil than any other country, too.

We have our homegrown nuts, such as the "Survivalists" who hide out, heavily armed, with foodstuffs for years all neatly stocked away, watching and waiting for the U.N. and their fleet of black helicopters.

We thrive on conspiracy theories, the ones from 9/11 are truly remarkable. Hell, the Rapture is pretty dog-gone good all by itself.

All of us bellyache up a storm about high prices of gasoline -- have short memories on the shortages of the late 70s - but have gone to increasingly gas guzzling machines. Hell, if we were serious in metro area, we'd convert a whole series of streets to a combination of bicycles, Segways, golfcarts, and/or wheelchairs. Allow for specialized parking garages that had plug-ins, security, etc.

Want to cut gasoline useage -- switch metro diamond lanes to being at least half of the lanes -- force people to carpool.

Heck, our love-affair with weapons of personal destruction is based on a paranoid belief of either the government turning fascist or we'll be invaded.

It's all part of the Christian heritage -- Revolations and Armageddon is some damned freaky stuff to indoctrinate small children with.

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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:27 PM
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18. Ah, yes the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories are quite remarkable indeed
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 02:27 PM by TheWatcher
Ironic that the most improbabable, laughable, and most intellectualy insulting of them all is The Official Story.

Keep sleeping.
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:39 PM
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20. Oh, just because it's a conspiracy theory doesn't make it wrong
Paranoia is the lifestyle skill in our world.

Twenty years ago, you wouldn't have gotten me to believe that we'd pre-emptively invade another country and occupy it, or that the preemtpive use of nuclear weapons would be a viable option in so many people's minds, or that the extreme Christian right would ever be much more than a lunatic fringe movement, or even that we'd have a porous border during a wartime footing.

My laughter was because the notion of comprehensive insanity is so dead on.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:52 PM
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14. Maybe the chem-trails are spraying us with chemicals that make us cRaZy
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yashuryabetcha Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:59 PM
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15. Really;
If greed were considered a mental illness as well as ambiguity, then perhaps we could make pills that would turn hummer owners into cyclists and eliminate this obsessive need for oil. (Not much profit in bicycles or peace for that matter. It’s the people that would receive the peace dividend, not corp. Amerika.)
Let’s make some little blue pills that turn fundies into Buddhists. What is so sad about people lacking any moral integrity is that they prey on those who are truly ill, poor and uneducated. If there is in fact a disease in this country its ignorance. Let’s cure that one! * probably is emotionally challenged due to having been taken of the teat too early, that and my guess is he’s trying to make up for a having a small penis! I like to call this “little dick syndrome”.
PS call me mademoiselle.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:00 PM
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16. Fromm basically told us that 50 years ago...
What do you expect from an insane society?
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:13 PM
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17. There will be a special wing in the nut house......
for the 8% self-identified democrats whom voted for Bushit. We can excuse the thugs for drinking Kool-aid but how do we explain the 8%??
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:26 PM
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27. Don't forget, that 8% self-identified as liberals.
They could also be those who think Hitler was a liberal because he ran the National Socialist party, and anyone who is a socialist has to be liberal.

I could self-identify as a goldfish, but that doesn't mean I'll be able to breath underwater.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:32 PM
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28. RFLOL!
I could self-identify as a goldfish, but that doesn't mean I'll be able to breath underwater. good one!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:08 PM
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24. We've lost our social moorings and our economic security, plus we
have constant fear-mongering about mostly non-existent threats. It's a miracle that anyone is sane.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:51 PM
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30. Our society is mentally ill, because we reward...
...psychopathic, sociopathic and narcissistic behaviors.

Psychopathic, cold, compassionless, self-centered behavior is not only tolerated in this country--it is rewarded.

The psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists and other pathologicals dominate politics, the corporate world, churches, corporations.

The minions who have to work under, serve with and live in families with these sick individuals also become mentally ill. They either become like them or cope by becoming mentally ill themselves to tolerate the trauma that these individuals inflict.

The rise of PTSD, bipolar disorder, DID, depression, anxiety disorders, eating disorders, phobias--and the like--are most likely the result of living with or being forced to work with pathological individuals who have so much power in America's families, corporations, churches, schools, etc.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 04:54 PM
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42. Spot on, TwoSparkles.
I seem to have reiterated your points.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 05:14 PM
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45. well said
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:53 PM
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31.  It's all those TV pharmacuticals
Everyone took the purple pill........
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:56 PM
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32. Rush Limbaugh:
"a guy around whom the Pacific Ocean could not get wet."

I'm swamped in waves of laughter!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:28 PM
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34. This brings to mind the thesis of "The Corporation"
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 05:28 PM by EVDebs
http://www.thecorporation.com/index.php?page_id=2

in which our corporate-ridden society results in corporate 'persons' exhibiting psychopathic characteristics !

""THE PATHOLOGY OF COMMERCE: CASE HISTORIES
To more precisely assess the "personality" of the corporate "person," a checklist is employed, using actual diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization and the DSM-IV, the standard diagnostic tool of psychiatrists and psychologists. The operational principles of the corporation give it a highly anti-social "personality": It is self-interested, inherently amoral, callous and deceitful; it breaches social and legal standards to get its way; it does not suffer from guilt, yet it can mimic the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism. Four case studies, drawn from a universe of corporate activity, clearly demonstrate harm to workers, human health, animals and the biosphere. Concluding this point-by-point analysis, a disturbing diagnosis is delivered: the institutional embodiment of laissez-faire capitalism fully meets the diagnostic criteria of a "psychopath.""
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 06:36 PM
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36. One of the striking
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 06:39 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
consequences of this government by the armaments lobby and the Pentagon, is that you would not, as a people, be human, if there were not a relative prevalence of mental illness in your country. Although sychopaths would, I believe, escape the appearance of such, as evil in all its manifestatiosn would be seamlessly incorporated into their happy-go-lucky world-view.

There will, of course, be those who were blessed with an upbringing by morally sound and socially well-adjusted parents, but surviving in a world where Christian values have long been inverted by the former (and called Christianity); and this ethical deficit, imposed as the ideal political and cultural paradigm (leading to a human jungle), means that anything less than such an upbringing augurs ill for the pain-free development of successive generations.

I'm talking here basically about civil society (leaving the consequences of wars aside), but imagine how many American servicement must have come back from Vietnam, psycho-spiritually shot to pieces. And how many more will fare similarly as a consequence of service in Iraq. Yet twice last week, I heard American soldiers praised by people who fought beside them, respectively, in Vietnam and Iraq. I wonder too how their major psycho-spiritual traumas will impact on the development of their family members, as individuals.

One such tribute concerning American soldiers, I heard on the phone from the mother of an Aussie mate of mine who served in Vietnam. And the other was actually in a newspaper article by Andy McNab, the SAS lad who is the author of Bravo Two Zero. And the thing was, of course, that these tributes were not dry, clinical statements, but tributes from the heart. It was important to all three people concerned that this was really appreciated by people, particularly, as Andy wrote, at a time when soldiers tend to be getting such a bad press. Sometimes, in relation to the rotten apples, well-justified, of course.



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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:47 PM
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39. Right on!!! The sociopaths who are governing the world
are the big corp. Capitalism has reached a point where millions of people are dying in its name.

If, the Americain dollard collaps will we see a new order? or will ....(China, Europe, India' Arabs, etc)just go on the same path?


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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 04:42 PM
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41. I'm afraid its been going on for ages, but
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 04:43 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
now its come home to roost.

Still, such eras have a relatively limited life, because their proponents are essentially cretinous - hapless slaves to their own greed and megalomania - which are evidently cruelly impossible masters to serve. And thank goodness for that! Have there ever been bigger dummies than Hitler and Mussolini?
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 07:16 PM
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37. Gov't by fear for 60 years has side effects: poor health, depresssion.
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 07:17 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
The race is on to see if more anaesthesia (propaganda) or pills can stabilize the patient...us.

Fascist terror, toxic environments, mercury and jet fuel in the drinking water, franken-foods, sugar, GM corn syrup, hormones in milk and meat, ISOLATION, EMGs, microwaves, ELF waves, intentionally-inflicted sexual neurosis, automobile/cubicle culture, etc.

These are a few of Fascism's Favorite Things.

Remedy: NO TV, fresh air, good food, good music, good friends, good sex, a good laugh.

Most of those remedies are obtainable for all of us. Gotta save the air.
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Blue Moon Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 05:05 PM
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43. That's OK with me
I'd rather be mentally ill in the greatest country in the world than sane in any other country.
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:48 PM
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47. Could it be in the food we eat?
We are the junk food nation.:shrug:
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