What I think the dems should be saying

just my 2 cents...and maybe its good that they arent saying it now, but they should definately bring this up after Terri's official passing:
This is what we warned about before the elections. People said that we were being 'dramatic' when we said this guy is NOT about small government. The Supreme Court, a fairly conservative Supreme Court, has declined without comment on the Terri Shiavo case 5 times now. Can you imagine what will happen when Bush re-shapes this court? The scary thing is, it isn't just about abortion now. This is a subject that almost 90% of the people, and the majority of ALL parties believe is a personal, and when disputed, state court issue. Yet if there were a Bush court in place (and make no mistake, there will be by the end of this term), Terri's vegitative state would have to continue for God only knows how much longer, most likely against her will. Had this case ended up in a district where Bush had manipulated the federal bench more than in the 11th, our judicial system may have allowed the unconstitutional actions of Congress to overturn the state courts. This is a serious issue that I strongly feel the democrats need to jump on at precisely the right time. Not too early, like I said, silence is probably best now, but shortly after they must expose the constitutional crisis that this case has shed a LOT of light on. These crazy extremists aren't even on the same page as the vast majority of those in their own party. You always hear the republicans talk about how far to the left someone is. It is time for democrats to start 'labelling' people as 'right wing fanatics' or 'extremist conservatives' or some kind of phrase that exposes how they are the far right, out of the mainstream - much farther than any truly compassionate 'bleeding heart' liberal.

But I can hear the Evangelicals and Republicians yell, "Godles liberals want people to die!" End of post.

...not knowing that it's not polite to slam someone without at least having the courtesy to read their whole post.

NGU.

I live among those fools. I'm telling him exactly what they would say if he even started to say what he wrote.

700+ posts and I just got here?

Not exactly a Progressive value.

And, I guess you're right, February was ages ago.

NGU.

My job interview was hostile. Imagine defending your degree, computer skills, just for a company that will hire almost anyone that can pass a drug test.

...the corporate criminals responsible?

NGU.

Shit, they'll legal but the people involved weren't right in the head. No one in this town is. I haven't been able to recover since August when my contract ended when I did tech support. I'm still waiting to hear from other companies.

...for 6 months...also a tech in Florida...had a month-to-month contract basically. Finally got hired on full time but had to take $1 less an hour (actually $3 less an hour from when I originally started). Depite the 20% decrease in pay, the workload has increased 300% and they refuse to hire anyone else - they just want us to handle it. Ridiculous. Good luck to you bud.

Mine was for 6 months. Not surprisingly, no new contracts are up since so many companies here prefer India for tech-support. I tried my own PC repair biz but that fell through a black hole since most people only want the PC maker to deal with the problem or get out of paying. Also, a lot of small biz here are now sporting that Christian fish symbol. Nice sign of the times.

<LOL> Sorry, couldn't resist.

Trust me, there are plenty of people around here who don't care much for irresponsible, incompetent, and immoral corporatists. Together, we can channel our frustrations into productive and Progressive action. That is, if you don't alientate us all first!
:toast:

NGU.

Alienate? I haven't even started.

I try to be progressive but I'm turning into a reactionary to the junk that is going on here. It's like pushing a brick wall.

they are crazy nutjobs. Screw them and their useless unscientific BS that they spew out of their holes.

We need to demand that our people say these things.

NGU.

please pay no attention to the title, i made it in haste. if i had it to do all over again, I would`ve said ``where is the democratic leadership on this``

enjoy:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3339306#3340050

Thanks.

NGU.

abortion though that is a part of it. It's about the whole judicial system that they need to be in their pocket. It's about the environment and corporate protection and civil rights. I think they wanted to use this to bolster their 'nuclear option' to stop any filibusters on the judges that he wants but it could very well have backfired.

The dems need to wait this out until the mourning is over but they have to hit this hard at some point.

thats what I was thinking....they thought there would be this big uprising of people saying 'Damn these liberal judges! We need bush to save the judiciary"...but it didn't happen. Their crisis didn't catch on. I think we didged a bullet, now it has to be exposed.

I think the Dems actually played this one smart. Whether by design or dumb luck the leadership let the repugs provide their own noose. Remeber what this is really about. The rethugs want to impugne the judiciary. How many rethug pundits have said something along the line of "the heartless judiciary is out of touch" or "the courts are letting terri be murdered." That is thier target. Bush wants to appoint wack jobs and this was going to be the cover.

This is their views in a nutshell (pun INTENDED). Living Wills = Suicide, Health Proxy = Murderer. God decides when you can die; not you, not your spouse, not your guardian, nobody. It sounds like they are even MORE passionate about this than abortion. This affects EVERYBODY.

Think about what they could do with courts, legislation. Can you say THEOCRACY?

This is why, when that next round of federal appointments or when a justice finally retires or dies, we HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE. Is this what we want? What was that phrase they used to defeat Daschle? Obstructionist? Now they see why were were 'obstructionists' - to prevent issues like this.

started this thread earlier...I`d like to say, however that after this conversation, i`ve come to the conclusion that my title was made in haste and should have been: Where is the democratic leadership in all this. I thought we should be saying things like:

"they're destroying your rights, they're creating a constitutional crisis, they're destroying your social security, they're killing your kids, they're the reason you'll soon pay 4 bucks for a gallon of gas, they're the reason there are no jobs for american workers, they're the reason you can't afford your prescriptions, they're the reason you don't have healthcare, they're the reason poverty has skyrocketed in this country." and a huge `WE TOLD YOU SO` followed by, ``here`s what we`re gonna do about it``

for what it`s worth:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3339306#3340050

It was one of those - 'hey I have to get this out there before I forget' type things. lol Guess I couldve read trhough some more posts first.