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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:09 AM
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A Game: "You Be The Democrat"
How about a "game" called "You Be the Democrat"

The idea is that one player or team plays a "hot" well known, national Democrat, who is sure to have his/her pick of any interview show they want- like Hillary, Obama, Dean, Kerry etc. Someone who's words will more likely than not, wind up "in the papers" or be repeated "on the TV"- especially if they say something pointed or controversial(Something they rarely do)...

The other team or posters can play "Russet" or "Tweety" or even a FOX news celebrity.

The idea is to come up with talking points, or even better, to perhaps prove that it really is not that hard to frame the message, and create talking points that will stir things up and get our talking points repeated.

Rules: all you have to do is play on one "team" or the other- make responses if you are the high-profile Democrat- use loaded questions/responses if you are the media team-and try to use actual media questions/responses, or something close- or something we might actually anticipate.

Here is your chance to "Be the Democrat" and give the responses that you wish high profile DEMS would give.

Anybody in? It might be fun & certainly educational!!!

I'll go first- but please feel free to start your own questions...

News Celebrity: "What do you say about the perception that Republicans are stronger than Democrats on defense?

Democrat:
"I don't see how a party that uses lies and propaganda to get us into wars is good for defense. The WMDs and the 9-11 connections turned out to be pure baloney- and everyone in the world knows it. The dissenting Democrats were right about the WMDs and Bush and the media were wrong. Asking questions about why we at war does not make us weak on defense- it helps insure that we do the right thing."









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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:24 AM
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1. Okay, I am in.
News Celeb:
Now the Republican Party always talks about states' rights? What about Terri S and need we say it, the 2000 election?

Dems:
States' rights? That ended w/ 2000. This is NOT the party of Lincoln. They are practicing fascism and it is "in your face."
TS - Puhleeze. What ever happened to little "Sun" (black infant) in TX? Oh yeah, * enacted a law cutting off his respirator cuz he was poor (and black..subjective, but true).


Good post!

We can vent in an extraordinary way.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:31 AM
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2. Celeb: Facism? Are you really saying that? That is outrageous!...
You don't have anything to back that up, do you?"
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:42 AM
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3. Dem: what is there to back up?
Privation of everything by corporations..if that isn't fascism, what is?

Hello, *, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz....please respond.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:49 AM
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6. "Everything" is not being privitized..."
"...and as for those other wild accusations, I'll not entertain them on a show that respects journalistic integrity, blah blah blah. Now on to the next question...."
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:02 AM
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12. Not everything....but we are getting there. Privatize inch by inch.
And use the fear factor to keep you in line.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:43 AM
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4. Kudos to you.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 02:50 AM by Jamastiene
This is a brilliant idea. Real people answeing real questions. Our (Democrats) party should be thankful for your idea. I'm nominating you and will gladly play as best I can.

"News Celebrity: "What do you say about the perception that Republicans are stronger than Democrats on defense?"

Democrat: "It is a classic case of protectionism. Often, people who have been bullied or abused for a long period of time will cower to their tormenters and even go so far as to help perpetuate more violence, lies, obstructionism and even illegal activities. If the abusee is asked why they do these things, they will first say it is to keep the bully in a mindset to "protect" the abusee. If asked again, they will eventually admit it is to protect themselves from the bully. If you evaluate the commonly held belief regarding roles of the Democratic Party as compared to the Republican Party, you will see that the common view is that the Democratic Party is the party of nurturing and compassion, hence the strong support for social programs and issues. The Republican Party is seen by many as the paternal protector of the "children" and "families" of this country. In truth, however, as in any family, you can have a situation where the paternal role model is abusive toward the rest of the family to the point that the rest of the family is unlikely to speak out against the abuser for fear of attack. As you can see, a fews short years ago, Tom Daschle and Richard Gephart tried to speak out, because they discovered this was just the case. Not long after that, they were attacked with the deadly biological weapon, anthrax. No one was ever prosecuted for the attack and there has been no REAL investigation into how this deadly agent was stolen from a military research lab right here in the United States. Each attempt by the Democratic Party to speak out and point out the abuser's tactics is met with fierce attacks from a main stream medie that has been usurped by the propogandists from the abuser's corner.

In summary, the fault lies not with the Democratic Party, but with the media, who have been complicit in keeping this myth of a great Republican "defense" going for so long. My question to you is: Better yet, why have you never asked us for our opinion on how to defend the country AND let us actually answer before you jump down our throats."


Note: I would recite every last word of this from beginning to end come hell nor high water. Throughout their tirade into me, I would continue to raise the volume of my voice (keeping it steady and sure) to out match their verbal assault until I finished what I had to say. They would NOT stop me or yell loud enough to back me down. That would be one tactic that would be a good starting point for Democrats to use to counter the tactics of msm.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:54 AM
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7. How about just starting with that summary:
"...the fault lies not with the Democratic Party, but with the media, who have been complicit in keeping this myth of a great Republican "defense" going for so long...


Your summary says it all!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:15 AM
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10. Point well taken.
I could start with the summary to get a major talking point across and then go into the other part. I would still try to find a way to "beat" the reporter at his own game. They do tend to be self aggrandizing windbags...

Thanks for your input. :)
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:05 AM
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14. You are so right Dr. F. nt
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:02 AM
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13. VG J. NT
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:48 AM
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5. I'll play
News celeb:
The Republicans are running ads saying you Democrats have had no ideas about Social Security. How do you respond?

Democrat:
Sure we have.

News celeb:
Oh really? When? And by whom?

Democrat:
1935. FDR.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:58 AM
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8. So you are saying Democrats have not had a good idea in 70 years?
What do Democrats propose we do to fix the SS problem?
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:48 AM
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11. No.
I was pointing out that Democrats -- FDR to be specific -- are the ones who came up with the original idea.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:14 PM
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17. But its almost a century old idea, Dems have nothing new to offer?
Are we saying that the Republicans want to try bold, new things, but Democrats want the status quo?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:01 PM
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18. The REAL social security problem..
Is the state of poverty our retirees would live in if the Republicans have their way and eliminate it. Social Security is a cure, not a problem.

Democrats have new ideas, in fact, that the fundamental point of being a liberal. However, until we've protected the society we have from the Republicans attacks, progressing from here on topics like health care and education are secondary.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:08 AM
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9. We have a plan, and it is called social security.
Democrats know that we can't tear down social security- we can tweak and adjust the program without risking our nest eggs. We are still waiting for Bush to give as an actual, comprehensive plan instead of sound bites.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:06 AM
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15. Love it. (These thugs are trying to overturn everything FDR did. nt
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:41 AM
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16. Kick
Kicking for the morning crowd who sleep at normal hours and might have missed this thread.

I'd love to keep going with this because there are so many smart people here with terrific strategic abilities. Maybe we can get some ideas going that Dr. Dean would like to have a look at?
Not only is this idea a great exercise in learning how to answer the loaded questions lobbed at Dems from the media pack of hyenas and the repugs who are constantly baiting them, but it provides us out here in the trenches nice little succinct tidbits to hurl at right wing nut jobs who are trying to "discuss" politics with us. You know those friendly "conversations" (attempts at conversion) that end up as screaming matches that only end when the repug makes a crude reference to cigars/blue dresses/the stains on the floor of the Oval Office,etc., etc. before stomping off?!!

I'd really love to hear of a way to pummel Russert on live TV. He acts like he's freaking Perry Mason when he has a Dem guest. He badgers them and doesn't let them answer the question - usually because he asks 3 or 4 at once and the guest isn't given the time to answer. That leaves the unanwered questions as a kind of implied state of fact. He uses this trick all the time and I'd love someone with some guts to beat him up on air.

I haven't crafted my question yet, but I'm thinking...

:kick:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 05:20 PM
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19. kick
n/t
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