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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:23 AM
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The subculture of lie-lovers
Do you remember Rosemary's baby? or maybe The Omen?
Remember how there was this whole subculture of people who APPEARED normal, but were really on earth to support and sacrifice themselves for the antichrist?

ok, bear with me, here.

I'm amazed, frankly, at something I've observerd over the last few years: a subculture of lie-lovers. People who adore people who lie to them, who act like groupies to get close to the liars by lying themselves to get their attention.

Most people I know in real life are not fond of lies. even the republicans I know are easily misled but do not seek to lie or want to be lied to. (of course, they just rationalize the lies so that they don't perceive them as lies). I'm not talking about those people...those are relatively normal people--people who recognize that truth is better than lies...they are just misled into believing lies as truth.

no, no, I"m talking about the subculture of people who KNOWINGLY lie, who get off on lying, whose currency of power is to lie convincingly to curry favor with the big liars. You know the people I'm talking about here: The swift boat liars for example: they KNOW they're making stuff up, they plan on how to lie effectively, they deny they're lying, but since they manufacture the lie, they KNOW its a lie.

This is a subculture of people for whom the natural aversion to lies and lying is simply gone, almost as if surgically removed. Take the current Shiavo situation: there is that nurse who KNOWINGLY LIES about the husband, there is Randall Terry, who KNOWINGLY LIES about Ms. Schiavo laughing and speaking, you have Frist, Who KNOWINGLY LIES about her diagnosis.

who are these people? and how can we protect ourselves from them? are they a collection of sociopaths, immune to a conscience?
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:27 AM
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1. When people see lies repetedly rewarded
with wealth, power and fame, this is not a surprise.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:29 AM
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2. "The Cheating Culture"
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:31 AM
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3. I had an ex=-gf like that lol
It eventually came back to bite her in the ass.

I believe the same will happen to this cult like following of willing liars.

They can lie only so long until someone calls them on their bullshit. Then the house of cards falls down.

The scary part, however, is when they believe their lies so deeply that they will carry them to the extreme. The nazi's come to mind.

Right now I believe it's more like a cult but give it time and it will turn into fanaticism then on to a movement.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:32 AM
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4. Pious fiction.
A little evil in the service of a greater good. Most of these manure-spreaders probably take an "end justifies the means" view and imagine that the lying is ok because it supports what they consider to be noble goals. They also don't expect the average person to ever expend the energy to catch them out in a lie. And a lot of well-meaning people who don't expect that they are being lied to sit back without questioning and don't catch them in a lie. The best protection--

Truth. Fight the lies by revealing them for what they are.
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:38 AM
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5. Snipit from some posts over at FR
They even KNOW that FAUX "new's" is a right wing propaganda machine...

<SNIP>

To: Edward Watson
I work in the stockmarket. I KNOW the MSM are corporations trying to get ratings.
I don't see an agenda ... even Fox covers the story 24/7.


and

To: AMDG&BVMH
All the polls are bogus anyway!Even the Fox news poll.Fox News opinion dynamics poll over several years has been very unfriendly towards the president,just look at the polling the weekend prior to the last election for a example.Fox news has had the wool pulled over its eyes by this liberal polling company.All the major polls are done by liberals.Gallup used to be the standard.George Gallup was a Christian man and no longer owns it.The Gallup poll is still one of the best polls around unless you are approaching a election.If its crunch time, as it is right now ,then Gallup crunches the #`s in favor of the dems.

20 posted on 03/25/2005 6:39:19 AM PST by presidentsfriend


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