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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:42 PM
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Okay, about those dems who voted with repubs on Schiavo bill...
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 05:49 PM by Atman
Toss 'em all out? Start a concerted effort to have them at least explain themselves...how they could so totally and completely misunderstand their constituencies on such fundamentally democratic principles like the right to privacy and the rule of law. The democrats who voted for this bill have proven conclusively that they simply don't know what it means to be a democrat. They don't know who the hell it was that voted for them.

Of primary concern is the retaking of the White House in 2006, if that is indeed possible. So fighting to remove any democrat right now is a dangerous mission, unless the oponent is totally unbeatable. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it possible to retake the White House, honestly. The republicans will still be in charge leading up to the 2006/2008 races, which means the republican-controlled voting industry will continue to deliver republican elections, no matter what, and the corporate media will parrot any and every cockamamie explanation Rove press-releases to us. "Bush won even though he had a 23% approval because American's think he is a strong leader, and really good at sports."

And we won't do anything, again. Or will we? We have to start by striking while the iron is hot, and put that iron to the feet of the democrats who voted for this circus. They OWE US for not voting their asses out right now. Hell for not demanding a recall for being traitors. The owe us an explanation, at least. How could they have miss read such an obvious issue? How can they call themselves democrats if they can't even support the basic principles that help make us democrats?

Sheesh. Just...SHEESH!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:44 PM
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1. By voting for it, they didn't even hold
true to their oath to uphold the constitution. They seriously need looked at in that light.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:47 PM
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3. Excellent point that must have gotten lost while they were
concerned about their next elections. It's bad enough if they don't listen to their base, but to disregard the Constitution is a serious reason to oust their behinds.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:47 PM
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2. Support their progressive opponents in the primaries
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 05:48 PM by Sandpiper
They abdicated their duty to uphold the constitution and as such, they do not merit further support.
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:28 PM
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13. Tom Harkin and the CBC
They'd be surprised to learn that they are DINOs.

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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:53 PM
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4. I'm not seriously compromising my principles anymore.
It hasn't worked previously, matter of fact it has backfired, and I have no reason to think it will work this time. It's time to get down with true democratic positions and leaders.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:54 PM
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5. I doubt they knew all the facts in the case at the time they voted and
some of them are sincerely prolife liberals who are also against the death penalty.

I let Dennis Kucinich and David Bonior pass for years on their sincere prolife beliefs and votes because I trusted their hearts and intentions.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:58 PM
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6. The problem isn't the House vote. It's the Senate vote.
Sure, it was a stupid Bill of Attainder and it violated the Constitution. Personally, I agree with the parents that the feeding tube should be re-inserted and I'm not going to fault anyone for trying to save a person's life. The bill couldn't have passed without the Senate vote of three Republicans and only three Republicans. Does anyone else have any concern about what what happened in the Senate?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:19 PM
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7. I am. I'm not sure I fully understand. What, exactly, happened?
?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:19 PM
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11. Only three Senators were present on the vote
Frist
Warner
and a Florida Senator

The Senate requires a quorum for a vote. A quorum under Senate rules is a majority.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:31 PM
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9. Yes, I have a problem with the senate vote.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 06:37 PM by Clarkie1
A big problem.

By the way, Terri is no longer a living person. The part of her brain that gives "personhood" is dead. It's been dead a long time.

She appears "awake," but has no conscious awareness. The problem is this state is counterintuitive, but it's a scientific fact. I suggest everyone download the NPR program "science Fridays" which aired today for an explanation of the physiology and clinical diagnosis of this state.

I know that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. The consolation is that since she is aware of nothing, she is not suffering. We can be thankful for that.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:20 PM
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8. I'm on board with your proposal - Well put ; - )
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:32 PM
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10. I agree, and it showed what a rubber stamp many are.
When faced with a potentially touchy issue, they took what they thought would be the path of least resistance. We need to support progressive candidates. Those who vote like this, need to be called out.

It makes me think of election reform. I've talked to local Democratic politicians where I live, and everytime I mention suspect elections, they look at me like its the first time they've ever heard it. They are either stupid, disingenuous, or in on the fix. I refuse to believe that they don't know this is a top priority to their constituents. Its totally frustrating.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:02 PM
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12. I'm afraid Dems are in a TVS (Temporary Vegetative State) and
will not be quickly aroused from it. Hopefully the people of the land will rise up and demand more and perhaps throw most of the bums from both parties out of office or to the extent that maybe a 3rd party will finally take hold and unplug both parties.
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