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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:47 PM
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The debate sucks.
The questions are terrible. It's more biigraphy attacks and less policy. The candidates haven't challenged eachother at all. The candidates that aren't going anywhere are getting issue questions and the top guys are getting crap questions. :puke:
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:57 PM
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1. I agree...
But I loved how Edwards snapped & said its about the people the 35 million people...
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:58 PM
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2. That was a most excellent moment nt
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ArtieBoy Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:04 PM
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7. Several great lines in this one...
I liked Sharpton's line on morals. "The Republicans talk about morals on an individual level. They think if you have a well-knit family (sic) that's morality. They don't understand morals in the social sense. They talk about morals while they take the healthcare from the kids, the employment from the father and the rights from the mother." EXCELLENT!!!

Hume to Edwards: "People think you have a fresh face, cute kids and a nice personality...but isn't it a little soon for the White House for you?" Edwards: "30% of the people of Iowa didn't think so."

And I like seeing a Dean/Edwards bridge being built. Dean, "Senator Edwards is absolutely right. We're not going to win fighting the Republicans on their ground, we're going to win fighting on our ground. It's about healthcare, education and jobs."

I gotta give Hume his one line to Clark, "You voted for Nixon and Bush, Sr. and wrote that Bush, Jr. and Tony Blair could be proud to have stood in the firm in the face of doubters. When did you notice you were a Democrat." Heh.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:59 PM
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4. That alone was worth it. It was like
back at 'em. They (candidates) aren't the issue the issues are and where they stand.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:03 PM
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6. Actually, I thought it was an attempt to dodge the question.
I mean sure, in a perfect world we'd take care of poverty before we worried about money but the voters have decided what issues are important to them and the panel addressed those issues.

I'd have completely respected him making the point in a one or two sentence statement. To me, ignoring the question and substituting this opinion (at length) seemed an attempt to partially recover from the earlier DOMA flub.

...just my .02
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:59 PM
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3. Why on earth would the Dem party allow Fox news shape the debate?
It's like letting the KKK organize a Civil Rights rally.

It just doesn't make any sense.

This was a terrible event. Shame on the Democratic Leadership
for letting it happen.
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:03 PM
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5. The format put all the candidates on the defensive.
It sucked big time.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:08 PM
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8. We let FOX run our debates - what did you expect?
Plus we hire Peter Jennis, B-rated actor, Corporate Media Whore, who just became a US citizen to take advantage of 911 to question Clark about Michael Moore? What idiot in the DNC let's these corporations run our debates anyway?

I wish the League of Women Voters still ran the debates, they were entertaining and had substance, unlike this BS "reality-show".

Every question is a hostile question designed to undermine the candidates on their weakness. Bush will be asked "how does it feel to do so much asskicking for American and the troops, Mr President?" "Well, Mr. Peter Jennigs, it feels great!"

If we have nothing better to do than to kiss the asses of b-rated actors the likes of Pete Jenhings and Tom Koppole we deserve to lose.
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ArtieBoy Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:42 PM
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9. I've been on several job interviews
Y'know I've been on several job interviews lately where they asked me tough questions that made me defend my weaknesses. I didn't call them "corporate whores" for it. Colloquially it's called kicking the tires, or separating the wheat from the chaffe. The debates went as well as they could. Jennings & Hume made the candidates answer tough questions about their records, and the candidates refrained from attacking each other and showed unity of purpose. Lovely.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:50 PM
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11. Jennins & Hum are a couple of B-rated actors
under the pay of General Electric and News Corporation. They read the lines they are given. Bush was never asked tough question when he was running, and they went even easier on him after he stole the election.

Peter Jennigs is one of the whores that went right along with the coup. He lent legitimacy to everything that happened, just like he was paid to do. Tell him to go back to Canada.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:46 PM
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10. To each his own
My mother watched the debate and was very impressed. She appreciated that they spoke to the issues and brought challenged the questioners when they tried to provoke and instead refocused the conversation on the issues.

She had been a little concerned with a couple of the candidates and was much more confident at the end that she would be pleased to support even the candidates she had been concerned about.

Some people like controversy, fire and fight. Others don't. It seems to be a personal matter of taste as to how to view an event like the one this evening.
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