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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:23 PM
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Bastard Priest Pavone calls for limits to the powers of the Courts. Says
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 08:24 PM by saracat
congress should limit the powers of the judiciary. He also said the rights of the individual should be limited . Siad basically , people shouldn't be allowed to choose things that harm them. There are limits. In other words, you shouldn't be "allowed" to choose to die! I have never disliked a Priest more. He is nasty! These people are calling for a dismantling of the judiciary and an installation of a theocratic Congress!
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:27 PM
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1. Clarification
The 'right to die' debate is really skewed because the whole idea is just wrong. Nobody has a right to die, but people DO have the right to refuse any treatment they like (well, within limits).

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:29 PM
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4. Why don't you have a "right to die" ? But in any event this was a case
refusal of treatment resulting in death of the body. She was dead fifteen years ago.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:34 PM
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11. Right to die is too broad
It could open up nasty legal problems with suicide prevention programs and the like. The right to refuse treatment is a lot narrower and consequently much more manageable.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:32 PM
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8. of course people have a right to die
For that matter, they have a right to refuse any treatment they like.

Out of the countless human beings who have been born on this Earth, none has escaped dying. None ever will. It's not even a question of "right"; life itself dictates death.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:35 PM
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12. Legal terms
I'm making a legal argument, not a political or metaphysical one.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:37 PM
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14. This body is MINE - it is not government property!
Everybody has a right to die, and/or refuse treatments.

And if I decide to bring an end to this body, it is my decision, not the government's.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:40 PM
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15. To an extent
Everything has limits. Some states criminalize suicide attempts because suicide is viewed as inimical to public policy.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:40 PM
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16. The only right to die case I was involved in was when a woman,
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 08:46 PM by rzemanfl
whose faith did not allow her to receive a blood transfusion, lost a lot of blood in childbirth and needed a transfusion to live. The law at the time was that a person with a child (i.e., her newborn), could not refuse life-saving medical care because the child's need for a parent trumped her right to exercise her religious belief. Ultimately she was flown to the Mayo clinic where she received an experimental synthetic blood substitute that saved her life. This was probably 22 or more years ago.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:44 PM
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19. Yeah
The state is deemed to have a legitimate interest in violating a person's right of free expression in such a case.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:28 PM
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2. He thinks that? Screw him. Let's put it to a vote.
Come on, repugs and fundies, demand that Jeb and W introduce legislation that requires us to live forever and ever as vegetables. Bring it on, assholes. Let's vote.
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:29 PM
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3. Wait several weeks to see if there is going to be any real change
These people beat their chests but accomplished nothing but provide hours of fill time for the cable news channels.
Wait and see.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:31 PM
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5. Of course! That's the next step
in the takeover of a government of the people and for the people.

The courts are probably that last legal place for citizens to regain their right to vote and have that vote counted properly.

The neocon takeover is not fully complete until the Judicial Branch is under their control.

Terri Shiavo is a red-herring. May she finally rest-in-peace.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:31 PM
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6. Why don't we just throw out the Constitution and let Falwell and his
cohorts tell us how to live?
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:31 PM
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7. As an actual real life bastard
I resent being compared to the likes of Pavone!
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:33 PM
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9. Hasn't the time FINALLY come to TAX their asses???
I think the Tampa newspaper reporting that the friars openly admit that they collect tax DEDUCTIBLE money from the hoards (spell it as you wish) that are earmarked to cover the circus and do it because if the money was given directly to the Schindler groups, it would not be tax deductible, so they are in my estimation laundering funds.

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:34 PM
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The evangelical branch of the government should have veto power
over the judicial branch.

yeah, ok.

fuck off, pastor.

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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:34 PM
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10. We need to start taxing these fucking churches now!
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 08:34 PM by opiate69
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nationworld/story/4734653p-4367560c.html

AMARILLO, Texas – The Roman Catholic Church plans to establish its first religious society devoted exclusively to fighting euthanasia and abortion, church leaders said this week.
The male-only Missionaries of the Gospel of Life – founded by the Rev. Frank Pavone, an outspoken opponent of abortion rights – will be housed in a vacant Catholic high school and dormitory on the grounds of the Diocese of Amarillo.

The order will have a political bent, and will be active, not contemplative, Pavone said.

Priests will be trained to conduct voter registration drives and lobby lawmakers to restrict abortion rights. They also will learn to lead demonstrations outside offices where abortions and family-planning services are provided.

“There is a difference between knowing the teachings and knowing how to effectively advance a movement,” Pavone said.

In recent months, Pavone has been focused on marshaling religious conservatives around Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman who spent her 13th day without a feeding tube Wednesday. He also is director of an anti-abortion association called Priests for Life.
(snip)
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:43 PM
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18. Why don't they start a society to keep priests from ****ing little
boys up the butt?
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:37 PM
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13. Pavone is supposed to be a pastor...all he does is spew accusations
against Michael Schiavo....The man has no warmth....I can't imagine turning to him for comfort....
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:43 PM
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17. Pavone is supposed to be a pastor...all he does is spew accusations
against Michael Schiavo....The man has no warmth....I can't imagine turning to him for comfort....
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:44 PM
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20. This stuttering thing happened to me tonight too, what gives? n/t
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:46 PM
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21. tax the church
if they preach politics,,,think they can tell the government how to run and try to limit citizens rights .....then we should take a stand..RIGHT NOW..........and tell our congress to start taxing any and all Churches and their properties.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:47 PM
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22. When are Libertarian and small government Republicans
going to realize that their party has been hijacked by religious whack jobs ? These people don't want less government , they want to impose a religious order on all of us .
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:51 PM
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23. Ya know, that big mouth needs to shut the fuck up
He should talk to Father Drinan, a former congressman, who obeyed the Vatican when they told him to get OUT of congress, because the church didn't go for priests meddling in politics. And Drinan could still be in Congress were it not for his obedience to the Vatican--he was quite popular, smart as a whip, too.
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Debs Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:48 AM
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24. How about
A limit on access by brain dead morons, who couldnt possibly pass an IQ test, to the media?
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