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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:32 PM
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To all my Catholic friends on DU
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 01:36 PM by MollyStark
My sincerest condolences. I may not always agree with your church's positions on issues, but I share you grief at the death of this Pope. He was just starting out as I was becoming an adult. I feel that an era has passed away.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:34 PM
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1. Thanks!
Your humility and civility are greatly appreciated!
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:34 PM
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2. I agree
I am not a catholic, but this Pope's deeds on earth were incredible. He shall not be easily forgotten
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:35 PM
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3. May I join in expressing
sincerest condolences?

My in-laws loved and respected this man. They are beyond knowing of his passing now but for them, I feel sadness.

RIP John Paul II
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:36 PM
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4. My sincerest condolences, also....
I have many Catholic friends, most were away from the Church but have crawled back with the advent of themselves bearing children.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:37 PM
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5. Thank - You that was very kind ...
Please remember fellow progressives that The Holy Father did NOT ever say that the Iraqi Invasion was "a just war." And yes, you can disagree with "The Vatican" few or most issues and still be a faithful practicing Catholic.

This is a sad day but may The Holy Father rest in peace.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:38 PM
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6. Thank you
Though no longer a practicing Catholic Pope John Paul II has been a good man. I hope the Church will now elect someone who will make the changes necessary to the Church to be a force for good in the world.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:40 PM
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7. Yes... please don't take offense at some of the comments that have & will
be posted over the next few days. I sense that general religious animosity has been heightened by the whole RW manipulation of Schiavo.

Women and homosexuals have much reason to resent some of the church's policies--I dearly wish that Pope John Paul II would have addressed this need for reform-- but that does not negate the good that he did do, IMO. I hope he rests in peace. I also hope that the new Pope will pick up his mantle and take reformation forward in a very progressive way.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:56 PM
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12. This was a very conservative pope, no?
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 01:57 PM by Oregonian
Reformation mantle? This pope repeatedly spoke out against birth control and spoke against other policies that would have improved the lives of millions of people on this planet immeasurably.
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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:05 PM
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16. He also spoke out for the poor, for healthcare and against war
Let's dwell on the positive today for the sake of our Catholic brothers and sisters. I am as unrepentantly liberal and feminist as anyone, but no man is either all good or all bad. I believe that this Pope did the very best he could do. I also believe he was a brave and dedicated servant of mankind.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:07 PM
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17. Those are the issues in which I vehemently oppose JPII which
urgently require progressive reform. However, JPII did accomplish much to heal rifts between the religions and was an ardent opponent of this (Iraqi) and other wars of "convenience" waged in his lifetime. Despite the RW protestant fundies addiction to the death penalty, it is my believe that JPII never wavered in his condemnation of that.

So, as a woman, progressive, and internationalist in terms of public health, human rights, and equality, I have much to condemn JPII in terms of his policies, but I do recognize that there was good in his accomplishments as well. That was my point.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:47 PM
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8. Thank you for your dignity. It is appreciated more than you know.
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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:48 PM
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9. You are welcome Bear!
:hi:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:53 PM
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10. Thanks, Molly. Classy post.
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 01:59 PM by Nikki Stone 1
I have a difficult relationship with the church for a great many reasons, but J2P2 (as my Jesuit friend calls him) has been around since I was a teenager. I was thinking this morning that I remember sitting through Pope Paul VI's death and the election of the first John Paul, then the second.

I am wishing that a more liberal Cardinal will be elected in his wake, but I am not terribly hopeful.

On edit: I do have to give this pope his props for his opinions on Iraq.
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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:02 PM
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14. Yes, remember how short a time JP1 lived?
My impression of him was that he was a very spiritual and somewhat liberal man. It would be nice if the new Pope would continue down that same path but I am not to hopeful either.
Whatever happens, it's all interesting.
And it is sad too. I know millions of people will grieve very deeply. I too feel a sense of loss.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:11 PM
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19. Mine too. Although I remember being 14 at the time and going into
my mom's bedroom on the morning John Paul I's death was announced and saying "They killed him." I don't know why I said. I was such a good little Catholic then, Catholic school, singing in the church choir and all that, but for some reason, I thought he had been killed.
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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:19 PM
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20. I thought "they" killed JP1 also
I don't remember why.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:40 PM
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23. That was just in Godfather 3...
don't think too much about it.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:54 PM
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11. I'm no longer a Catholic, but.........
The Pope meant a great deal to a lot of Catholics.
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itcfish1 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:02 PM
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13. Thank you
After so much Catholic Bashing, it is good to know there are still compassionate people in the world.
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hholli1 Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:03 PM
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15. Thank you very much...
Your kind words are comforting at this time.

I belong to a groupd called Catholics for a Free Choice, we believe in the right to choose. I mention it because I don't think very many people are aware that most American Catholics are indeed pro-choice.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:10 PM
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18. My sincerest condolences to Catholic DUers.
The world is a poorer place without him, while Heaven recieves one of its most faithful servants. Vaya con Dios, mia Papa.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:32 PM
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21. as a "lapsed" Catholic, I also offer my condolances . . . n/t
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:38 PM
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22. Thank you!
Your good intentions are appreciated. Even as an admitted Cafeteria Catholic, I have great respect for the man.

John Paul II is a remarkable man, and he will be missed. I hope and pray that a strong leader follows him.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:36 PM
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24. I hope you do not suffer the loss too terribly. The pope was really
beginning to suffer for being alive. He had a great life. I hope very much the next Pope is able to look at the times and the numbers of people involved and minister like the leader of a flock would.. and teach people how to cope in 'reality' with things like AIDS.

Many, many girls in Africa do not have a say in who they sleep with so abstinence is not a policy that will stop millions of people from suffering.

We all need leadership. And if this pope was helpful in ending Communism..thank god he was there to do that if he did. Now we need other problems solved. Fall, winter & spring... a chance for renewal in death.
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:42 PM
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25. Condolences
Gay rights and abortion aside I believe he is a great man. This is coming from an atheist.
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