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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:25 PM
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No Democrats expressing concern for the Pope?
Kerry ? Vilsak?Harkin? Kennedy?Leahy? Only Bush is praying for the Pope? (Like he really cares!)
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:29 PM
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1. No, Only Radical Clerics ...
... associated with the Bush regime are permitted to express any thoughts on the airwaves of the American corporate media.

Democrats are all heathens, so to put them on the air would be to risk the righteous indignation of Bushite Christianity.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:30 PM
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2. Their concern should be for the American people
I just don't think the Pope dying should be much of an American political issue.

It will be though.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:32 AM
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31. The pope is what, 82?
look at the condition he has been in for the last 3 or 4 years. Concern isn't the right word. The guy has been on borrowed time for a decade. Its not as sad when someone dies of old age. Is it going to degenerate into something like the scene in 'sleeper' where the surgeons were going to rebuild a new president from his nose? Lets hope not. Its time to let the old coot have his rest.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:30 PM
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3. To be fair...
Has the media asked any Dems about the Pope?

Granted - any Democrat might call a press conference to express their sympathy, but what do you think Rush would say?

(less is more)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:34 PM
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5. Keith Olberman wondered where they all were.
Of course they are in Recess, but they have cameras in Boston and NY , and LA. What about a staement from Clinton? He met with the Pope too! Why is Nancy Reagan so important????
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:39 PM
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13. Great point though...
If no Dems are ASKED about it how can anyone really be pissed at their absence. The RW Media has no interest in what we have to say anyways but if we held a Press Conference they'd jump all over us for being opportunists and would play it off as a slimey political maneuver.

Rp
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:31 PM
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4. Matthew 6:5-6:
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:14 PM
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10. I really love that
..as it should be. Thank you for sharing that.:-)
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:31 PM
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12. Ummm...I don't think there's anything wrong with saying you are...
praying for the Pope. That doesn't seem to contradict the referenced bible quote.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:12 AM
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24. Captures it all perfectly
thanks for posting it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:36 PM
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6. Jesse Jackson gave his .02 worth
But you knew he would.:sarcasm:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:47 PM
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7. our prayer isnt show. pray in closet, we really
need to get that
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:47 PM
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8. They are praying for him.
Bush is talking to the TV.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:09 PM
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9. Like Bush gives a shit?
He used to tell his own mother that Catholics were going to Hell for following a false religion. And what makes that argument especially ridiculous is that Poppy and the BarBeast raised Chimpy Episcopalian, which is about as close to Catholic as you can be.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:24 PM
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11. moved
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 10:38 PM by oscar111
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:07 PM
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14. You seem to have a problem with Dems...
Two threads questioning Dems intentions, actions.
What's your position?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:12 AM
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15. I am just curious as to why we aren't reacting!
We always seem to blow the PR wars. I just hate to see the reukes make points with the Pope! It makes me ill to hear the comparison of !Regean with the Pope! The pope was a man of peace who disliked Bush and was against the war! He spoke out against Abu Garib. If we want to grab the moral highground, the moment would be now! I can't understand what we are waiting for.We have so many Catholics in our party. I guess I am just frustrated. If you'll notice they are both the same idea. I keep hoping someone will hear something and tell me!:)
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:18 AM
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17. Maybe Dems should proclaim they are pro-abortion. Not.
C'mon. When is the last time you've seen big media give any air time at all to a prominent Democrat, except on the standard political talk show?

They're all concerned for the pope and I'm sure they are praying and doing whatever they do.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:27 AM
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18. We don't get what we don't ask for! Jesse Jackson managed to get
interviewed! Yeah, I know, the camera hog, but he knows how to get air time! And I don't believe that they wouldn't let Ted Kennedy and his boys get some time, and surely they would cover Clinton. What about Fr. Greeley? Our PR machine doesn't seem to have great placement! We are stepping back deliberately. It may be a strategy, but I think it isn't a good one, but I could be wrong. JMHO.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:29 AM
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19. And I am pro-abortion, but thats another thread!
:) And I do understand it not being phrased that way. I just don't want choice watered down!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:12 AM
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25.  I am NOT using RW frames. I am tired of this.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:27 PM
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33. What do you mean?
NGU.


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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:15 AM
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16. Or maybe they are the true Christians and the media sucks.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:51 AM
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20. Just because Bush is political opportunist does not mean the Dems should
be. Like all good Catholics, the Catholic Dems show respect by personal silent prayer. Catholicism is supposed to be a personal religion and one of humility. Those who seek publicity or political advantage on the death of others are not honoring God's wishes. Reverance and humility are the needed signs of respect now.
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:58 AM
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21. This will be my one and only response to a Pope thread, before
I put it on "hide thread."

What exactly should we be praying for? He's lived a long and full live with much accomplishment. His life's thread has come to its normal and final conclusion: impending death. It is what happens to all life eventually. It cannot be avoided indefinitely.

He will die. You will die. I will die. It is to be expected.

For those Catholics who feel that they need to pray for his "immortal soul," for any transgressions he may have made during his life and that weren't covered by daily confessions and/or his final rites, then, do so. But, it's a persoonal decision that each person needs to make without historonics in a political forum.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:18 AM
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26. I am only talking strategy. I happen to agree with your point
women's rights.I have generally liked almost everything John Kerry has done. I am just curious as to this reaction. And who is asking you to share anything?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:58 AM
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28. You are asking, saracat. You asked about Dems and the pope.
I am a Democrat, and so I explained. If you are curious as to my reaction, it is because his policies have done much harm. They are impacting on all women through the Catholics working with the fundamentalists to restrict rights.

I am sorry he is dying, but I went through this with my parents. There was no world watching, just us and the doctors. I am going through it with my brother now.

Everyone dies, and the grief is no more for him and Terri than for all of us.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:08 AM
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29. I should have been clearer. I meant our leaders as the repugs
have been out. I also didn't like many of his policies, but I do think he did a lot for peace. I am no longer Catholic as I can't deal with the policies regarding women! He certainly did more for the ME than Bush! I went through this with my parents as well. I do understand. I am so sorry about your brother.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 05:06 AM
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30. By virtue
of being the minority party, the Democrats will be left out of the loop. I think Rove and Co. is already viewing the Pope's death as a way to make up for the miscalculated mess they made with Schiavo (especially DeLay's sanctimonious blather). Their main target is obviously Catholics for '06 and beyond, and to no surprise - it's a crucial group in crucial swing states.

I agree that Clinton should have been interviewed by Larry King, but part of the reason Reagan gets more attention is because it's been about one year since he died so of course the lazy and outright deceptive media we have spins this as a case of the "two great men that brought down communism" dying around the same time. Granted, I think it's fair to say that the Pope had a consistant moral view of the world unlike "St Ronnie". I was very annoyed with the ridiculous Reagan/Pope "parallels" which Nancy spouted. Reagan was shot. The Pope was shot. Reagan lived to an old age. The Pope lived to an old age.

Well no shit. Both lived in comfort, wealth, and power - occupying arguably two of the most influencial and powerful posts in the world. So the fact they survived an assassination attempt isn't so amazing. They had the best medical care in the world.




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